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07 Tecnica Diablo Magma

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
So far I have 7 days on this boot. My previous boot was a Diablo Magnesium.


Use: Work and Freeskiing.

Fit: They have the same last as the Mag, but are advertised as a "115", which would be 15% stiffer than the Mag. Make sure and have at least 1 finger width (but not more than 2) behind your heel when shell fitting. Less than 1 finger width is a true race fit.

Flex: I had always felt the Mag was soft in the forward flex. The Magmas feel like what the Magnesium should/could have been - a good stiff, high performance boot. They do feel stiffer than the 110 Diablo Race (duh!) but not as stiff as the 130 Race.

Comfort and Warmth: The boot fits great (thanks to Kurt at TVS) and is both comfortable and warm.

Color: Well, think of an Orangecicle. We'll see if the the white is affected by UV radiation.

Overall: A great high performance boot!

HB
post #2 of 23
I didnt even know these were coming out, I have been locking the cuff on my fire's and these might be a better option
Any pics/ are they multi density like the Dialblo mag or single like the 110,130 etc?
post #3 of 23

Magma

HB:

How are you size wise in the Magma vs your street shoe?

I tried on the Magma in a 27.5. I had 'em on for 2 hours and was not sure about the feel on the back of my left achilles.

I came back the next day and did it again; the length felt just perfect, but the back of heel/achilles felt pinchy. I passed for now.

My current boots are a Tecnica Alu Comp in 28.5 w/ custom footbeds. My street shoe is 11.

The custom beds were too long to fit in the Magna's but substituting a pop-out bed (surefoot) in the shop made the magma feel better. i didn't want to modify my current beds unless I was sure about the Magma.

BTW I liked the Orangecicle color, but the white toe/heel did not look right. Very similar color scheme to my Daughter's Attiva Flames, except those are blue/white.

Any thought on your fit process would be appreciated, Thanks,
G
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 
I wear an 8.5 street shoe and ended up in a 26.5. The Magma, Mag, Fire and Burn are all on the same last, so if you shell fit in one, you'll be good for all of them.

Last year and the first part of this year I was in a 25.5 Mag and suffered through loosing several toenails. All because I wanted a "race fit". The 26.5 fits much better than the 25.5.

When I sized my 25.5, I had less than 1 finger width behind my heel. I then punched and punched and punched to get the boot to fit. When I was skiing, the boot was great. But when I was standing or walking around the Lodge, my toes suffered. Also, I was never able to fit my orthotic in my 25.5.

Now, with the 26.5, I have my orthotic in and have shims where I need them. The shell fit in the 26.5 was about 1.5 finger widths behind my heel. Things (and toenails) are much better.

As far as color goes, like Gotama said, think of the Attiva boot, only orange and white.

HB
post #5 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarkinBanks
I wear an 8.5 street shoe and ended up in a 26.5. The Magma, Mag, Fire and Burn are all on the same last, so if you shell fit in one, you'll be good for all of them.

Last year and the first part of this year I was in a 25.5 Mag and suffered through loosing several toenails. All because I wanted a "race fit". The 26.5 fits much better than the 25.5.

When I sized my 25.5, I had less than 1 finger width behind my heel. I then punched and punched and punched to get the boot to fit. When I was skiing, the boot was great. But when I was standing or walking around the Lodge, my toes suffered. Also, I was never able to fit my orthotic in my 25.5.

Now, with the 26.5, I have my orthotic in and have shims where I need them. The shell fit in the 26.5 was about 1.5 finger widths behind my heel. Things (and toenails) are much better.

HB
Thanks HB,

Thanks very interesting!

Maybe if I try a 28 in the magma I'll get a better fit. Problem is my shop ordered them in for me as they are not in stock yet.
I think I'll stop in today and see if they can gett me a 28 to try on.

Did you consider the Diablo Race Pro 110 at all?
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotama
Did you consider the Diablo Race Pro 110 at all?
I did - for an instant - then cooler heads prevailed. The Race is 2 mm narrower throughout and I felt I needed the width. So the Magma was choosen.

HB
post #7 of 23

Width

Quote:
Originally Posted by HarkinBanks
I did - for an instant - then cooler heads prevailed. The Race is 2 mm narrower throughout and I felt I needed the width. So the Magma was choosen.

HB
HB:

Did you ever try on a Nordica Hot Rod?

It supposedly has more width than the Doberman 130 Pro, otherwise sharing the same last.
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
Never tried the Hot Rod.

Way back when, I used to ski the Acid Green and Purple Nordica Grand Prix World Cup in a "Medium" stiffness. A great boot, once I got it on. Also, a great boot to get off.

FYI - After 20 days, my Magma's fit great. The response is there too.

HB

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotama
HB:

Did you ever try on a Nordica Hot Rod?

It supposedly has more width than the Doberman 130 Pro, otherwise sharing the same last.
post #9 of 23
For this boot did you go with the Hot Fit Liner or the Hyperfit liner? Why?

How does this appear to fit per street shoe size?

Who has the best deal on these?

Thanks!
post #10 of 23
I have a 11 streeet shoe and got a 27 shell on the magma.

You must try this boot on, its different from other Tecnica's size wise.
post #11 of 23
I have the magma as well, I loosened the flex adj. and that feels perfect I had the icon carbon before which was much stiffer. I am a street size 10 shoe and went with the 26.5 hot form ,the 27 was definetly too big .Got the boots from Keith at the pro shop in Hunter N.Y. we started with some grinding adjustment at first mostly in the 6th toe araea and the big toe on both boots ,He likes to go gradule on adjustments ,the final adjustment required punching the same areas I think that should do it . I also use smartwool ultra light ski socks .
post #12 of 23
I'm a 11.5 street shoe and bought a pair of hyperfits in a 28. They felt way tight in the begining, but now that they're packing out the fit seems spot on. Other than custom footbeds, they seem to fit right out of the box for me, I've experienced no pressure points or discomfort. I have an average width, but I think fairly low volume foot. I've skied them with the flex adjustment in both positions, and personally prefer the stiffer setting. The only caveat would be that the cuff is a tad low for my 6 foot frame, however once on the slopes, I haven't even noticed it. The color scheme also allows them to double as a flashlight on moonless nights.
post #13 of 23
Festus:

I get the feeling the cuff should be a touch higher too.
You really have to keep the power strap snugged up...it acts like a 6th buckle and it helps w/ forward support a good amount.
post #14 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Festus View Post
I'm a 11.5 street shoe and bought a pair of hyperfits in a 28. They felt way tight in the begining, but now that they're packing out the fit seems spot on. Other than custom footbeds, they seem to fit right out of the box for me, I've experienced no pressure points or discomfort. I have an average width, but I think fairly low volume foot. I've skied them with the flex adjustment in both positions, and personally prefer the stiffer setting. The only caveat would be that the cuff is a tad low for my 6 foot frame, however once on the slopes, I haven't even noticed it. The color scheme also allows them to double as a flashlight on moonless nights.
Did you have an option to chose the HotFit? If so what were your thoughts on the fit difference. Was there any?

Thanks.
post #15 of 23
The shop where I bought them didn't carry the Hotform version, so I can't offer an opinion on those. A friend did buy a pair of Head's with their customized liner and really likes them, so I could imagine a superior fit with the hotforms too. I'm sure someone on this site has extensive experience with both boots and could offer a comparision.
post #16 of 23

Pain

Out of the box these boots, hurt, alot! Do i just need to break them in, should i get inserts, did anyone else have this problem? Any help would be great, Thanks
post #17 of 23
When I first got my Magma's last season they hurt alot to wear them around the house. The first day I skied in them I had to take the insoles out to give me a little more room and unbuckled after every run. By the third day the insoles were back in and now they fit great.
post #18 of 23
I skied them a few times and went back to my older Tecnicas. The liners didn't fit well so I put the older liners in the Magmas at first before going to the old boots. I put ZipFits in the new boots this year, I'll know more about the fit sunday.
post #19 of 23
Used these boots all last season: lost one toenail and damaged another, two trips back to the shop to have adjustments made, and finally an appointment with a bootfitter. End the end these boots were very costly, but my skiing improved compared to my previous Tecnica Icon X boots of 4 seasons.

These boots are lower volume and 1/2 size smaller than the aforementioned Icons. Once the fit was proper (after 10+ days of use) my stance is more neutral and I feel better balanced over my skis than with the old boots. I find the Magmas to be lighter, more responsive, and to have a lower cuff. They just required more customization than my previous 3 pr of Tecnicas.
post #20 of 23
Well I have had these boots for about 5 days and they feel fine walking around the house, but as soon as I go to ski them, they suck. My shin in my right leg hurts when I flex and i have a small pressure point, but my left foot is horrible, the whole bottom of my foot hurts and i can usually only make four runs in them before it hurts to much and have to go back to my old boots. When i take my foot out it hurts to streach out my foot and then it usually falls asleep. Im thinking about buying costum footbeds, but would really hate wasting the money on something that doesnt work. I bought cheapo Dr. Scholls ones and they seemed to help out in the left foot a bit, but made my right one hurt.

Im at a loss on what to do, im gonna go get them adjusted at a shop and if that doesnt help, i dont know. My old boots (Atomic B7) which im not sure is really a "race boot", if you know, please let me know, work alright, and are much more comfortable. So in your guesses opinion, should i get inserts and try to make this boot work, or just stay with my old boots and return these.

Thanks Guys
post #21 of 23
Do you have a custom boot fitter in your town or at your local ski area? My feet were falling asleep also due to too much pressure on the top of my feet. My trips back to the shop that sold the boots proved ineffective. And yes, the boots felt great when I was not skiing in them.

A boot fitter will not sell you boots, rather adjust your current ones so that they work for you without causing you pain. Perhaps, he will tell you they are not the right boots and he will make suggestions for boots that will be a better fit for your anatomy and then you can return them to the seller in exchange for a more appropriate brand/style.

I too tried footbebs before going to a fitter, but once again, the results were not satisfactory. The fitter took various measurements of my feet and lower legs, plugged them into a computer program, and then designed footbebs and also installed both toe and heel plates on the outside of my boots.

My stance is now neutral, and the least amount of pressure I exert within my boots results in a quick and predictable response from my skis. I am also the most balanced I've ever been and my skiing requires less effort. The combined amount I spent last season for the boots and the later fitting was quite a bit, but I am happy with the results.
post #22 of 23
So i went to a custom boot fitter and ended up getting footsoles made. When i went skiing my feet hurt a bit and i had to unbucel after every run, but after awhile it went away and i didnt need to unbuckel, so i think everythings good now. Which is cool, cause i love this boot. But i was wondering if you guys used any of the adjustments the boot offers, like the adjustable rear spoiler, and the flex lock feature. Do you guys prefer the flex position or the lock position, and is there much difference? Since i race should i be using the lock position? And what does the rear spoiler actually do, just provide more support in the back of the leg if you need it?
Thanks
post #23 of 23
Before visiting the boot fitter, I was using the rear spoiler because I felt cuff height was too short compared to my old Tecnicas. The fitter recommended I remove it as it was preventing me from skiing in a neutral position. I also started with the flex switch in the locked position as these boots felt less stiff than my old ones. By mid season I returned to the flex position and found the boots much more comfortable when skiing moguls.
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