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Breck to get new gondola

post #1 of 19
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Well, it's only been talked about for about the last five years, but yesterday Vail Resorts announced that they will begin construction on a new, 8 passenger gondola from the Miners/Tailings parking lots(free lots) to the Peak 7/8 base area. Construction will begin this spring and they expect to have it completed by Christmas '06.
post #2 of 19
that's great. no more getting herded around like cattle in the buses.
post #3 of 19
Yeah, instead you can wait in line for 45 minutes just to get to the base.
post #4 of 19
I still won't ski there!!!
post #5 of 19
Does seem like a waste of money as getting from the free parking to peak 9 was pretty simple during off peak times. I hope they still have the bus option when this opens.
post #6 of 19
being a peak's 9+10 fan, i like it. surely, that gondola will divert some breck newbies to peak's 7+8 and free up some trail traffic on 9+10.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by jgiddyup
I hope they still have the bus option when this opens.
they will and I'll still opt for the 3 minute blue route bus ride from my workplace.
post #8 of 19
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from the article in yesterday's Summit Daily

cost: $17 million
capacity: 3,000 per hour
length: 7,800'
ride time: 7.5 minutes
vertical rise: 391' (what a joke!)
post #9 of 19
Vail resorts HAD to put this gondola in to fulfill a bunch of contracts with people to whom they sold real estate. On paper it might look silly, low vertical, it just brings people to the base, serves the "free" parking lots. However, they sold A LOT of condos in the vicinity (Thunder Butte (or is it Ridge?) is one project, and I'm pretty sure there were others), and part of the sales pitch was that they were going to be installing this gondola. I even think there was a timeline involved (i.e. they had to install it sometime in the next 10 years (that 10 year period starting 5 or 6 years ago)).

Ultimately, this gondola will make several of those condo projects technically "ski-in/ski-out" (there will be some official extensions off of 4 O'clock - locals are using them somewhat now, with this gondola, I'm sure they will become "official" and put on the trail map), and making these condo's (and houses in areas developed by Vail Resorts) ski-in/ski-out, or very, very close to it is their contractual obligation right now. There's a lot of real estate owners who speculated on this promise from Vail, looks like they will be able to start reaping the benefits next year when they can rent (and sell) their places using those magic words in ski town real estate: "ski-in/ski-out."

J
post #10 of 19
Breckview,

Are the busses still going to continue to peak 8 or does this mean that the busses will only take people to peak 9?

I can see a slpit where one parking lot will just be for Gondola use and the other for bus service to peak 9.

What's the scoop?

I think the Gondola might be a good thing and speed things up a bit, not that it was bad before.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Lars
Breckview,
Are the busses still going to continue to peak 8
The town wanted to gondola to reduce bus traffic and their bus fleet. So, what they'll probably do is either eliminate the red route to peak 8 and use the blue/green routes to get people from the transportation center to Peak 8 and back via bus. Or they may run a special route every 20 minutes to peak 8. There will still be a way to get to peak 8 by bus but it will be greatly reduced.

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I can see a slpit where one parking lot will just be for Gondola use and the other for bus service to peak 9.
The parking/bus issues are not exactly resolved yet.

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I think the Gondola might be a good thing and speed things up a bit, not that it was bad before.
It's going to be really great for those of us that don't ski during crowded times. Front rangers may create a line on weekend mornings and it may look long and cause more people to take the bus to Peak 9. But the lift is 3000/hr cap. and that is similar to what they carry up to peak 8 now via bus on busy mornings.

The skiway back to the parking lot is already a great addition.

Steve
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by jake75
Vail resorts HAD to put this gondola in to fulfill a bunch of contracts with people to whom they sold real estate.
That's not true. Every VR promo piece for Mountain Thunder and even Shock Hill (non-VR property) said "proposed gondola". VR had no contractual obligation to actually put in the gondola. But since the town wanted it, VR almost certainly would not haved gained final approval on their peak 8 base redevelopment without it. The town of Breck wants the gondola far more than VR does.

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I even think there was a timeline involved
The timeline was an old approval for Peak 8 base area development that really didn't mean much of anything since town planning has not issued final approval yet. Basically all it gets them is density which they can sell if their ultimate project is denied.

Steve
post #13 of 19
What it will do is eliminate some diesel exhaust fumes when there's a temperature inversion.

Thanks Breckview for that always reliable information.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Lars
What it will do is eliminate some diesel exhaust fumes when there's a temperature inversion.
And those buses are noisy too. Breck is doing everything they can to get traffic off of Main St. and improve the parking/transportation issues around town. Everything is extensively planned.

The big free lots are owned by Vail Resorts and nobody knows what they will eventually be built into. I don't think they have any density on them but they can buy/transfer density from other parts of the county.

The town of Breck has the ultimate power over approvals and so whatever happens with those lots will be something that both entities can agree upon. VR and Breck have an amazing history of cooperation and the gondola is a great example.

I know that many people in town government had serious doubts about whether the gondola would ever actually be built. $17 million is a big chunk of cash even for Breck/VR. The recent announcement is surprising (and very good) news, IMO.

Steve
post #15 of 19
So... is it safe to assume that the "free" parking lots won't be free anymore? Being Vail Resorts, I can only imagine that the price will be $10-15 in the near future.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
So... is it safe to assume that the "free" parking lots won't be free anymore? Being Vail Resorts, I can only imagine that the price will be $10-15 in the near future.
I think it's safe to assume that the areas of the free lots closest to the gondola will no longer be free.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by breckview
I think it's safe to assume that the areas of the free lots closest to the gondola will no longer be free.
Maybe not, but we can hope.

When Beaver Creek opened the new lift from their lower parking lots last year, parking remained free didn't it?
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Coach13
Maybe not, but we can hope.
From the Summit Daily News article:

Today, people park for free in the lots surrounding the site of the proposed new gondola town terminal. That might not be the case next season.

“(Charging for parking) is clearly one of the things that we’re reviewing,” McCarthy said.


I don't think hope will help.
post #19 of 19
$17 million for a gondola and free parking? VR doesn't put that kind of money into a lift and not get return on it's investment. Either they raise the lift ticket price and/or they charge for parking nearest the gondola.
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