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Apache Recon vs. Crossfire

post #1 of 15
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I ski 70% groomers, 20% bumps and 10% off trail. Ski shop still recommending Recon over Crossfire. Also, they say don't ski the Crossfire a little longer than Recon. Any thoughts?
post #2 of 15
I agree with the shop, but the Recon is one of the few K2 skis that i like. My guess is that as soon as you mentioned "off trail", the Recon recommendation came up because the Recon is more of an all around ski as opposed to the Crossfire which is more of a hard snow carver.

I think the same holds true for the length suggestion. Since the Crossfire is more of a carver you tend to be able to get by with a shorter length. The Recon tends to be skied longer in order to preserve it's versatility.
post #3 of 15
I skied both. I found the recon a whole lotta fun and the cross fire not so special. My skiing partner bought the cossfires after trying them both.
Demo,Demo,Demo
If you like the recons then try dynastars legend 8000, Im buying those.
post #4 of 15
I've owned the Recon & skied the Crossfire and like both in 174cm.
You really gotta demo them to find out for yourself.
They share more similarities than differences IMO, but those differences give each ski its character.
post #5 of 15
IMO the Crossfire would be the better choice between 70% and 90% of the time, and Recon would be better the remainder.

Up to you......................

SJ
post #6 of 15
You said nothing about your weight, height, location, etc.

That said, I wouldn't ski a 68mm waisted ski today if you gave it to me for free. Heck, I wouldn't ski them if you paid me to. Even if I was gonna stay mostly on groomers. But that's just me...
post #7 of 15
They are both sell out ski's made in china, K2 does not exist to real skiers!
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by MTT
They are both sell out ski's made in china, K2 does not exist to real skiers!
No doubt that is why none of your real skier friends will be riding Pontoons next year :
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by spindrift
No doubt that is why none of your real skier friends will be riding Pontoons next year :
I typed that while (Drunk) I came back to edit, but now that I think about it? I really do feel that way. So the statment stands.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by SierraJim
IMO the Crossfire would be the better choice between 70% and 90% of the time, and Recon would be better the remainder.

Up to you......................

SJ
Maybe when he gets the Recons, he'll find out his % of time on groomers is lessening.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by sibhusky
Maybe when he gets the Recons, he'll find out his % of time on groomers is lessening.
Yep................Maybe.............:

SJ
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by jj24K
I ski 70% groomers, 20% bumps and 10% off trail. Ski shop still recommending Recon over Crossfire. Also, they say don't ski the Crossfire a little longer than Recon. Any thoughts?
I'd say that the ski shop is nuts on their recomendation. If you had said you skied 70% off trail, then the Recon would be the better choice. But skiing 70% groomers, the Crossfire is suited more for that and is actually geared towards 50/50. Since you like bumps may I suggest the Apache X which is the same ski as the Crossfire but lacks the metal making it a much better performer in the bumps. Both the Crossfire and X perform very similar off-piste. However, if you ski icey conditions, are big, bomb groomers at high speed, and like stiffer skis the Crossfire will be a better on trail performer than the X. Both will outperform the Recon on the groomed.

As for length, I ski the Apache series all in the same length. The only ones I would even consider skiing a size shoter would be the Outlaws or the Chiefs. But, they are true 90% off-piste skis.

Where do you ski and what is your level, height, and weight?
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks Cornbread

I'm 39+, 6'3, 225. I always ski out west - Crested Butte, Sun Valley, Deer Valley and Taos are main spots, Vail, Aspen and Squaw every two or 3 years.

I agree with your logic on the Crossfires and wonder if the shop is just pushing the Recon's as they are hot skis right now. I am on 191 B 9:18s and would like to get shorter to do better in bumps.
post #14 of 15
At your size I'd say you would like the Crossfire over the X. I'm 6' 180 and push the X to its limits on the groomed, to the point where the ski feels like it is folding when it is driven hard. From other posts here, most bigger guys always like the K2 with the metal in it over the one without on the groomed. Go with the 181's as I believe that is the biggest length in the Crossfire. It will still perform very well for you in the bumps.
If you start venturing more off-piste, you may want to get a fatter ski. The Recon and Outlaw in the K2 line are great skis for those conditions. I posted a recent review of those skis along with the Axis X here: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=37262
post #15 of 15
Hi, anyone out there have Apache Crossfires in 174 w/ IBX 12.0 Piston bindings for sale? Keep On 'Keepin On!
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