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post #31 of 44
Originally Posted by waxman
why the heck would you ask an instructor about setting your bindings?
Because the girl at the ticket window was busy?:
post #32 of 44
Originally Posted by jhcooley
By the way, you can make a nice, cheap, disposable powder cord with orange surveyor's flagging.

Go play!
What he said, spyderjon.

Plus, deep stuff could mean a lot of things - how many inches? er... you know what I mean .

I'd leave them binders the same.
post #33 of 44
Replacing a lost ski? $500-1,000.
Surgery to repair leg (assuming it is possible)? $10,000-30,000.
Inability to kick off ski while riding an avalanche, death.
Lars, there simply isn't a good reason for making your body the weak link in the connection. Did it occur to you that the rescue would have involved a lot more than a ride down the hill if your binding didn't release? How much of your ski career would you have missed? I bet it would be a lot more than fourty minutes.
BTW why couldn't you climb back up and get the ski yourself? If there was a route down the mountain, wasn't there a route back up?
post #34 of 44
Originally Posted by Lars

My fatties are set at 12 which is as high as they go, axial 120's, I haven't fallen in two years. And as fast as I ski and the places I go, I don't want them comming off for any reason. I'd rather risk a knee injury than trying to get out of some backcountry chute or tree run in waist deep snow, 40 degreepitch on only one ski.
Axial 120 set at 12 =
You shoudn't cranck a bindings to its maximum setting. It's like revving an engine past the red line.
Upgrade ! (where's HighwayStar ?)
post #35 of 44
Not an instructor, just padding my post count .

I would only up my binding DIN if I would rather risk breaking a leg than risk have a ski come off. When I would do this is skiing straight down very steep terrain in an insane adreneline-addicted quest for speed (chutes or near cliffs). Since I have gotten better in my old age, I no longer do these stupid things, but when I did, the only steep terrain was found out of bounds, and the snow was powder. So yes I did up my DIN in powder, but it wasn't because of the powder. If you are making turns down chutes, and skiing at sane speeds your much better off at the proper DIN. Yes, if you don't know how to ski powder, your ski is more likely to come off, but the fall is less likely to hurt you than too high a DIN is. The binding should come off if you do something wrong. Take a powder lesson or two, and in a couple of days you won't be falling any more.
post #36 of 44
Oh, and back on topic, I never touch my DIN settings.
What Ghost and others said : For everything less than you-fall-you-die-50° couloir-heroic stuff : better a lost ski than a trashed knee ! Powder or hardpack.
post #37 of 44
I haven't had a binding release in six years. Other than a month ago when a skier took me out of both skis. Those were demo boards with demo bindings set at 7.5. The last time my skis released it was a Marker pre-release and it cost me four months rehab after surgery to repair all the ligaments and muscle groups in my right shoulder. I don't fall and don't want an unexpected incident causing me to fall. Like I said especially when it's caused unexpectedly. I bet 30% or more of the backcountry skiers out there who don't Tele have their bindings set higher than recommended. I didn't expect any instructors here would.
post #38 of 44
Originally Posted by spyderjon
I know many skier's up their DIN setting on their powder skis but I am interested in what an instructor would say when asked by a pupil.
Depends which one. Different guests get diffrent answers.

If prerelease is a problem go get them tested. Not all release problems are release setting problems. Forward pressure. defect, lube.....

As far as a precaution for non-pros that are not in fall=die areas, not if I like you
post #39 of 44

I have the answer..

Well, I just finished a 3 day Advanced Ski Clinic at Squaw with some of the best instructors in the world, with over a foot of powder a day.
2 of us, myself included, needed to tighten the heel a 1/4 to 1/2 a turn. My skis never pre-release in harder snow, but they were in the powder, coming over rollers, off cornices, etc.
Our instuctor recommended cranking up a notch for powder, and it worked. Of course, if you simply left them at this setting you wouldn't need to crank them up for powder days. Therein lies the choice and chance for individual experimentation.
post #40 of 44
From the chart my DIN should be set at 7. (Expert skier over 50. e.i. type 3) I never have them set that high. If given a choice I pick a skier type -1. (Yes, that is a choice, though not all ski techs give it to you.) Anyway that sets me up for a 4 to 4.5 DIN. If they won't set it that low, when I leave, I crank em down.

I like my knees and want to be using them in 30 years. I want those size 4000 shoes to come off before the knee or leg goes POP!

For what its worth, I've not had problems with pre-releases. I ski fast, hard, and leave trenches in the snow.
post #41 of 44
Originally Posted by Lars

I bet 30% or more of the backcountry skiers out there who don't Tele have their bindings set higher than recommended.

I wonder if this whole debate has anything to do with where and what you ski.

The shop I'm affiliated with here at JH just *expects* that most local skiers (old farts like me and women included) will ski at a higher DIN than what the charts recommend.

Their techs often don't even bother looking up the DIN, instead they just ask "what do you want them set at?" and get out the waiver form. Every single person I regularly ski with (several instructors included) skis with their DIN one, two, or more numbers higher than the chart.

I haven't ever detected a rash of failure-to-release injuries here, but I know a WHOLE lot of people who don't want to throw a shoe while hanging above cliffs or trees.

Que sera, sera.
post #42 of 44
Thank God Bob. I was getting tired of being spanked and sounding like an idiot.

The last time I demoed a pair of skis (Seth Vicious) the shop guy asked me where I was going. Told him we were gonna do some back country around ABasin and Loveland Pass. He said, well just to be safe ya better pay the two dollar insurance. Covers everything except theft. The very next statement was," what doya want em set at"? just sign the waiver.

Isn't it like that everywhere?
post #43 of 44
Originally Posted by Lars

Isn't it like that everywhere?
Evidently not.
post #44 of 44
When I was young and invincible--I would increase 2-4 Din. "because I could and it was cool. After 2 knee injuries and 3 shoulder injuries--I decided to learn how to ski---.

Now I learn my DIN and decrease it 1-2. I value my body more than my skis. 30-40 days this year, several "hey my ski is behind me backwards, I better do something here" occurances and still no release. NOTE: I am not skiiing 40-50 degree terrain, usually.

What would I suggest: Only increase the DIN if you are truely skiing in a LIFE/DEATH enviroment and need your skis to stay on.

--Powder straps---modified by me to make them easier to use.

--Insurance on your skis is very cheep. If you are married or otherwise have a jewelry rider on your homeowner's/renter's policy. Once you get past the minimum premium, any additions are very cheep. My 600.00 limit on my skis cost me $10.00 a year. No deductible. Lots of peace of mind.

Have I increased DIN---yes, skiing in Verbier Switzerland, with partners, in the back country---DIN went up. As LARS noted, if you fall---generally you cannot get back to your ski---without snow shoes and climbing gear. Would I do it again in the same circumstance--yes.

NOTE: Increasing your DIN--does not add skill or help you ski better.
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