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post #61 of 79
I don't really ski the adirondacks much specifically for that reason. They really dont get the snow that is necessary for good skiing. Whiteface gets 150" I blieve. So along with high wind and cold temps youve got yourself an ice rink. Although I find skiing ice an interesting challenge I would much rather ski the backcountry of northern vermont in waist deep powder and launch off small cliffs and ice waterfalls I love skiing out west but for us powder hounds that can't ski the real deal without getting on a plane there are alternatives which are still great thrills. Unfortunately our western friends seem to think that they have a monopoly on the white fluffy stuff. They don't. But would I rather be skiing utah or wyoming or montana or colorado three times a week rather than the N.E.? Of course! I'd be in those "too tight, too steep, too dangerous" trees all the time. I would surely find the mysterious, elusive, impenetrable high elevation oaks which the dumb college professors say don't exist at high elevation, if I could just ski there 100 days a year. Oh and an interesting fact....the appalachians actually were larger than the rockies at one point. So stick around another few million years and you guys will be skiing molehills as well
post #62 of 79
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Originally Posted by CSOcean10
...I would surely find the mysterious, elusive, impenetrable high elevation oaks which the dumb college professors say don't exist at high elevation...
That enough proof for you? Taken at about 7,500' and the ridge behind (with the impenetrable Oaks) goes to 9,000'. That high enough for you?


Don't always believe what your proffs tell you. You may now remove that foot that you have lodged so deeply into your mouth.

Powdr
post #63 of 79
Beautiful picture. But I still think I could ski the oaks Its not fun unless youve only got a couple lines barely wide enough for your body.
post #64 of 79
Thread Starter 
Give CSO a break. He's just saying that the east isn't ice all the time and some places are actually pretty good. He's not saying that Jay Peak is better than Alta or Jackson Hole. What's the deal?
post #65 of 79
CSO has cooled down and does not need a break... he came out of the box a bit strong but has settled down.

all is happy in bearville
post #66 of 79
Thanks guys. I really didn't mean any harm. Perhaps I'm more adept at verbal communication
post #67 of 79
no worries
post #68 of 79
CSOcean, relax it's only the inner net. You seem to have a passion for skiing, nothing wrong with that at all. I'm sure I could have a good time at Jay. Just don't expect me to spend the time and money to go there to find out By the way where do you live on the Jersey shore? Many, many, many moons ago I owned a Surf shop in Beach Haven.
post #69 of 79
I ski Utah yearly now for 8 years. For some reason until 2 years ago, I always ski snowbird 1 day, Alta 1 - 3 days, then over at Park City or Deer Valley areas. My take is this

Alta doesn't allow snowboarders. I really don't like the way snowboarders carve up the snow for skiers. Now occasionally, I do snowboard, but when I'm skiing, I don't want their mess so Alta is perfect in that regard. Alta is pretty good but not perfect. It could use more trees for my preferences and faster lifts. Sometimes with beginners I have to pole a lot which I hate.

Snowbird has the tram. I like getting to the top, but hate the wait to get on and being packed in like a can of Tuna fish. The backside of snowbird, Mineral Basin is great. The front side gets tore up. Lot's of people compared to other Cottonwood area resorts. It's the worst place ever maybe for beginners. I only made that mistake once. So I won't go there with anyone who is not an intermediate or above. The base is too discontected to meet up. I find this resort the most overrated in Utah. If I go there I spend all my time in the back, Mineral Basin. Tip, don't go there on a windy day.

The last couple of years, I discovered Solitude and Brighton. Brighton is small but laid out nicely. It's a great place for beginners. You can go all the way to the top with them and back down. Lot's of great powder. I had never even heard of Brighton or Solitude before. The only issue with Brighton and Solitude might be the size. The aren't as large as Colorado resorts such as Copper Mountain, or Vail. Brighton also has nice amount of Trees to me. I found plenty of skiing in and out for my standards.

For me Cottonwood Canyons Shakes out like this:
Alta
Brighton
Solitude
Snowbird

I also like Deer Valley for groomed cruisers. It's very nice, but the price and people aren't my type. I go for skiing, I could care less about all the "unimportant" stuff.

I think the snow in the Cottonwood Canyons is the best in the world. However, they may not be the best ski experience overall based on your tastes.

Alta, Brighton, and Solitude even on spring break aren't nearly as crowded as the Colorado resorts. Lot's of space to do you thing and enjoy yourself.

My favorites are
Copper Mountain
Alta
Beaver Creek
Snowmass
Brighton
Solitude

Least Favorites
Keystone
Arapaho Basin
Anything in New Mexico besides Taos
Lake Tahoe resorts, too crowded for me

Most interested in trying
Whistler
Big Sky or other Montana resorts
post #70 of 79
Well after hitting Alta, the Bird and Solitude again, my vote goes to the Bird. It has everything I want. We spent the whole morning in Mineral after a 13 inch dump. It had been closed the day before so it was ALL untracked. The place still blows my mind. Alta was half closed but still good. I just don't like riding the lifts so much. Solitude takes work to find the good stuff but is so empty you have the whole place to your self. It was pounding so hard and wet that i didn't really get my fill there, but it was better than anything I do here in the east.
post #71 of 79
Well you have no reason to as the skiing in utah is as good as it gets...I live in lavallette which is situated on the island directly above long beach island. I've got ocean on one side and bay on the other. It's time to start preparing for the traffic onslaught....you know how that is I'm sure!
post #72 of 79
I definitely used to think Alta/Bird was the best skiing in the West/Northern Hemisphere/World until I started getting out in the world. Just off the top of my head I can recall several places that blow LCC away.

Verbier
Zermatt
Grand Montets
Chamonix
Much of Courchevel
Whistler
Blackcomb
JH on a pow day (doesn't have all the pesky steep/flat/steep/flat of AltaBird)
Sun Valley on a pow day (same steepness advantage for the entire vertical)
Heck, even Big Sky has more challenging and interesting terrain.
I'll be able to compare/add my opinion about Las Lenas and Chile this summer.
post #73 of 79
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Originally Posted by Lonnie
Bob,

You speak only of lift served vertical. TECHNICALLY, Alta has over 2500 feet of vertical for those willing to Hike Mt. Baldy. But there are only a few souls willing to make that hike.
L
Puhleeeze. With that logic then I guess TECHNICALLY the Bird has 4,000 vert if you start at Pipeline and ski past Baby Thunder to the White Pine trailhead.
post #74 of 79

In-bounds versus out of bounds...

The point Lonnie was making is that Baldy is within Alta's ski area boundaries, and is patrolled when open.

At the Bird, one you get below the base of Baby Thunder, you are no longer in-bounds.

Using only in-bounds terrain, Alta could claim maybe an additional 500 feet beyond Baldy. Keyhole, accessed above the top of the Wildcat lift, allows you to ski into Snowbird.


But they don't....
post #75 of 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by endlessseason
I definitely used to think Alta/Bird was the best skiing in the West/Northern Hemisphere/World until I started getting out in the world. Just off the top of my head I can recall several places that blow LCC away.

Verbier
Zermatt
Grand Montets
Chamonix
Much of Courchevel
Whistler
Blackcomb
JH on a pow day (doesn't have all the pesky steep/flat/steep/flat of AltaBird)
Sun Valley on a pow day (same steepness advantage for the entire vertical)
Heck, even Big Sky has more challenging and interesting terrain.
I'll be able to compare/add my opinion about Las Lenas and Chile this summer.
I'm suprised you like some of the European resorts better. They have way more vertical and some truly sick lines but I found the snow to be more consistant in Utah. Chaminox was truly a mind blower though, even with the crappy conditions we dealt with. I guess after having skied Utah for so long you prolly need a change. For me good snow is change enough.
post #76 of 79
Chamonix has about 8k in vertical right? That must be amazing
post #77 of 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSOcean10
Chamonix has about 8k in vertical right? That must be amazing
It would have been if they had gotten any snow. A 6 inch to 3 foot base was murder on the skis. P-tex up the wazzoo every day. The views on the other hand where incredible. So was the food. Pick a good snow year and go there. Just be careful...you ain't in Kansas anymore.
post #78 of 79
Hahaha I ski mountain creek on a regular basis so I know all about core shots. I have heard that the alps can be iffy with snowfall so I'll keep that in mind. thanks!
post #79 of 79
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Originally Posted by eyeski
Well after hitting Alta, the Bird and Solitude again, my vote goes to the Bird. It has everything I want. We spent the whole morning in Mineral after a 13 inch dump. It had been closed the day before so it was ALL untracked. The place still blows my mind. Alta was half closed but still good. I just don't like riding the lifts so much. Solitude takes work to find the good stuff but is so empty you have the whole place to your self. It was pounding so hard and wet that i didn't really get my fill there, but it was better than anything I do here in the east.
If you're talking about Thursday, March 30, that's the day I was at Snowbird, too. It was great. And your Solitude day, was that Tuesday? Wet snow all day up there, but managed to be fun.

I wish I could have stayed longer.
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