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post #31 of 40
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post #32 of 40
[quote=sibhusky]The "super hot sauce" I have is some spray that frankly, I've never used because the racer in the house told me not to "use that crap" on my skis. Not sure why. The wax I am leaving on is red or yellow or whatever ironed-on wax depending on the snow temps I expect. Now it's interesting that Skiracer55 is saying by leaving it on I am enabling ALL of it to be pulled off the ski as soon as I start skiing, presumably right down to the structure. I say that because I took a lot of time the other night, hot scraping twice, doing a layer of yellow and molybdenum after that, then scraping that off after two hours and throwing on red which I left on, unscraped. I've been trying to conquer the current spring conditions of hard rough ice in the AM, followed by slush in the PM and especially the areas of the mountain that are cat tracks with shadows where you get the zoom-brake effect as you go in and out of the shadows. I was totally successful with what I did and it lasted two full days, while my fellow skiers, one of them a real tuning buff who always scrapes, etc. were LEFT IN THE DUST on all the places where you are just letting your skis run flat as you get back to the lift. I admit I'm not a racer and if I were, I'd certainly scrape because you don't want to be wasting the first few gates getting wax off, but if the snow was yanking all the wax out of the structure I don't think I would have had such good results.[/quote

I have never used the spray on, I use the bulk St Louis brick cause it works and is "cheap" as pictured here http://www.hertelskiwax.com/skiwax.html
post #33 of 40
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OK, I did and experiment today. I waxed my skis last night. I scraped under my boot on both skis, and let the wax on for the rest of the ski. It stormed last night, so there were powdery conditions this morning. I notice that when I first got on the snow, the skis felt sticky. By the time I had skated to the lift, the skis were gliding just fine. I took one run, then checked to see how the wax pattern worn down. I brought a scraper with me, adn went to work. There was no appreciable difference is the area under my boots wehn compared to the areas where I left the wax on the skis. Both were worn down identically. I didn't notice any difference in the quality of wax, and it didn't seem that wax was pulled from the bases in the unscraped areas.

That's enough for me. I won't be scraping anymore, just because it so inconvenient to cleanup up in a hotel room or rented condo that doesn't' have a vacuum. What I can do, and have done, is wax, then just scrape in the morning at the lodge, but it's such a hassle without vices.\\

To each his own. Ces't la vie.
post #34 of 40

Sounds like Blasphemy!

GOT into cross country ski racing in my thirty's, live on the praries and the Canadian Birkie is at my doorstep. Actually hardly skied downhill much at all for about 10 yrs. Last few has seen poor snow for XC around here and with teenage kids, started snowboarding and recently starting to feel fanatical about gravity again with Two boards on. Just gave My new M:EX's thier first hotwax. TOKO RED low flouro -4c/-10c ,scraped , Fibretexed, Rotobrushed, Hand brushed with brass then horsehair, then wiped with fibrelene. Swix iron and a custom, home made wax bench/jig convertable for DH skis or snowboards.
Yeah XC guys are wax fanatics. Never even considered not scraping but willing to listen. Actually giving the skiis TLC can be an enjoyable part of the sport you can't always be at a mountain. Will admit though can get a little tiring /stressful trying to get the wax right for 4 or 5 pairs of skis night before a race . Can make all the difference in the world over 55 km or with the kids in a tight competetive field. One thing for sure my skis will be much better cared for than when I was 20. Just pointed them downhill and took them to a shop twice a year.
post #35 of 40

Scrape at home??

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Originally Posted by Docjoque
OK, I did and experiment today. I waxed my skis last night. I scraped under my boot on both skis, and let the wax on for the rest of the ski. It stormed last night, so there were powdery conditions this morning. I notice that when I first got on the snow, the skis felt sticky. By the time I had skated to the lift, the skis were gliding just fine. I took one run, then checked to see how the wax pattern worn down. I brought a scraper with me, adn went to work. There was no appreciable difference is the area under my boots wehn compared to the areas where I left the wax on the skis. Both were worn down identically. I didn't notice any difference in the quality of wax, and it didn't seem that wax was pulled from the bases in the unscraped areas.

That's enough for me. I won't be scraping anymore, just because it so inconvenient to cleanup up in a hotel room or rented condo that doesn't' have a vacuum. What I can do, and have done, is wax, then just scrape in the morning at the lodge, but it's such a hassle without vices.\\

To each his own. Ces't la vie.
Why not just scrape at home so mess is not an issue?? I understand the protective value of travelling unscraped but have never seen damage from travelling if stored properly anyway .
post #36 of 40
I am surprised this hasn't been brought up in this thread-it has in others. Check out Ray's Way tuning equipment: http://www.alpineskituning.com/raysway.history.htm

He has a very effective way to put on wax between hot waxing. No scraping required. I have also tried his base flattening/structuring/finishing tools and they work great. I bought some Machete Souls from a fellow Bear. They were squirrelly, so I figured they were base high and broke out the flattening tools I bought last spring, but hadn't used yet.

Not only did they flatten the bases, the structure let them glide better than any shop tune I have had. (I then tuned all my other skis and my son's with the same results.). Try out the waxer. It is cheap and it works. LewBob
post #37 of 40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xcountry41
Why not just scrape at home so mess is not an issue?? I understand the protective value of travelling unscraped but have never seen damage from travelling if stored properly anyway .
Well, I do that too, but during a long trip, that desn't do any good when I need to rewax. I'm on a week long trip now, and two weeks ago I was on a nine day trip. I don't like to go that long without waxing. If fact, I'd wax just about every day if I could. When at home, I used to go through all the steps that you described above to get the best wax job I could. But with this new experiment, I find that it is SO much easier, saves a ton of time, and I've noticed NO difference, other than the first 20 yards getting to the lift.

Now, if I were still racing, that might be a different story. But I'm not, so any nanoseconds saved with a top notch waxing just don't mean anything to me.
post #38 of 40
I was skiing extreme spring conditions today, and didn't even notice the extra wax on the skis for the first few turns. It's definitely noticeable in cold/hard snow for the first few turns, but on the soft stuff it seems to have zero effect. Still wears off to smooth bases quickly though.
post #39 of 40
I am with the people that do not bother scraping - I cannot see/feel much difference between a scraped ski and one that has skated 50 metres to the lift on most snow surfaces.
post #40 of 40
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xcountry41
Why not just scrape at home so mess is not an issue?? I understand the protective value of travelling unscraped but have never seen damage from travelling if stored properly anyway .
Well, I do scrape at home. It's just that when I go on a trip for longer than a couple of days, I'll still need to wax, and I like to wax about every day. I just got back from a 10 day trip, and that's far too long to go without waxing.
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