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Salomon Crossmax V12

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
A bit of a delay in posting this, but I was out on the Crossmax V12s (170cm) about a week and a half ago. Conditions were about -2C (~29F), mostly groomed man made snow with lots of ice.

Me - 6'4", ~235 lbs, Level 8 (possibly a 9?)

Item and Brand Name: Salomon Crossmax V12, S912 Ti bindings, 170cm, 114/68/101, r = 15.5

Date of Demo: 24-25 Feb 05

Retail Outlet: Aerobics First, Halifax, NS

Purchase Price (optional): Listed at $Cdn 1280, incl bindings

MSRP: ? - I have heard $Cdn 1300

Description of item and your experiences: Awesome ski. I know that you cannot (should not .... ) base a ski purchase decision on graphics, but I like the graphics (see link to Salomon website below), with the piston/connecting rod going across the skis.

Day 1 - First impressions - I enjoyed them. I was skiing mostly with my 6 year old and it is her first year skiing, so there was not a lot of opportunity to really check them out - see Day 2 below. The Crossmax's had good edge hold on hardpack and ice, allowed me to do all types of turns - short fall line turns, cruising medium turns and fast GS turns. I think of all the skis I have demo'd this year I liked these skis best, but I would want them in a longer ski for me.

Day 2 - I was able to ski for a couple of hours on my own. Conditions were similar to the previous day - mostly man made with lots of hard-pack and ice joining the few patches of good snow. A little dusting of snow overnight, but that was gone by the time we got out to ski around noon. Turn initiation was great, edge hold on ice was awesome. I was able to work the ski but I wasn't worn out at the end of the day - the skis felt light underfoot and did not feel heavy on the chairlift. I let them run at speed for a couple of runs (eyes watering, even with goggles on) and the tips looked like they were bouncing around a lot but I didn't feel it at all - they felt very stable. Being the size I am (~235 lbs @ 6'4"), I think I would go to the next length in these skis, which is a 178cm with slightly changed dimensions of 114/69/102, r = 17.5. No moguls and no powder (not sure if there have been any powder days here in NS this year ....) to run them through, so I cannot comment on that.

Overall Rating (1-5 with 1 being "horrible" and 5 being "outstanding"): 5

Would you recommend the item? Absolutely .

Internet link to manufacturer and/or photo and description from company: http://www.salomonski.com/caus/produ....asp?id=784663

I have heard a rumour that Salomon did not market this ski in the US - anyone confirm that? If you go to the US Salomon website, it does not list the Crossmax V12 at all, so there may be some truth to that rumour. According to the staff at Aerobics first, Salomon has dropped the Crossmax line for 2007 (they were at a dealer demo week at Tremblant a few weeks ago), but the follow on to the Crossmax V12 will be in their race line (not sure of the name). Further digging around has indicated that the V12 is similar in construction and performance to the Salomon Equipe GC - but apparently the Equipe GC is a little stiffer.

--flexbert
post #2 of 17
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Originally Posted by flexbert
Further digging around has indicated that the V12 is similar in construction and performance to the Salomon Equipe GC - but apparently the Equipe GC is a little stiffer.
--flexbert
Crossmax V12 = Equipe GC with a different top sheet. A marketing trick : some markets love a 'race look', when others prefer a flashier 'skier cross' look.
I heard rumors that one of those is actualy made by Völkl. Can someone confirm this ?
post #3 of 17
Ask Vlad- Volkl makes everyones skis!

Salomon will not be bringing in the "carving" oriented skis to US next year- Just the X-Wings and the Race Skis.

Foolish move on their part.
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I should have add :
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I have the older Crossmax Pilot 10 model and if they are similar, you will find that they also work well for powder and crud. I find it to be a very nice all-around ski - ok for bumps too.
post #6 of 17
what size do you advise for someone with 1.82m and 60kilos ? 162 or 170 ?

ps: i like short turns
post #7 of 17
Hi Neo, at 60kg, I would say a 162-166 would be about right.
post #8 of 17
New top of the line Crossmax : W12. (Is Saab being replaced by Volkswagen as the new sponsor ..?)
Supposedly based on the GSLab.
Advertised at 1277$ naked (1000Euros) ! Which seems insane, even, assuming there's a typo, with a pair of s914.
For less than that I'll get a Dynastar or a Stockli.
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Which Dynastar?
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Which Dynastar?
: The obvious choice would be a SkiCross Pro.
Though the 'regular' Skicross should be plenty o' fun too.
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Working on a .ca demo list

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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
: The obvious choice would be a SkiCross Pro.
Yet another virtual unknown here.
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
Hi Neo, at 60kg, I would say a 162-166 would be about right.

Ok. I think that size 163cm is a litle small for my hight... but i think the 170cm is a bit tall for my short turns.... :
I really don't know what to choose ... maybe i will go for the 163cm... thanks for the help
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Ok. I think that size 163cm is a litle small for my hight... but i think the 170cm is a bit tall for my short turns.... :
I really don't know what to choose ... maybe i will go for the 163cm... thanks for the help
If you're looking for short turn abilities, I wouldn't look a crossmax12 or a similar 'skicross' ski, most of them between 17 and 22m. There are shorter radius skis on the market (from the top of my head : Atomic metron, Rossi Z9, Head Supershapes, Elan Speedwaves, Stockli SC... or a SL ski), all better options IMO than a downsized skier cross.
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Yet another virtual unknown here.
It's basicaly last year's Course Comp (FIS-legal 'race stock' GS ski) with a different plate (and graphics).
I'd rather have one of these than a Crossmax. I may be wrong (I've never skied the V12 or the W12) but the former Crossmax 10 did not delivered what I expect from a skier cross. ie a real, brutal, 'race' feel...with a touch of tenderness for the non-racer.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
If you're looking for short turn abilities, I wouldn't look a crossmax12 or a similar 'skicross' ski, most of them between 17 and 22m. There are shorter radius skis on the market (from the top of my head : Atomic metron, Rossi Z9, Head Supershapes, Elan Speedwaves, Stockli SC... or a SL ski), all better options IMO than a downsized skier cross.
it's just because i can find this ski very cheap... and i saw the ski radius on salomon it's only 12m for 162cm.


But this ski is great isn't it ?
post #16 of 17
I stand corrected . It's actualy a 'carver'
(though it's closer to 13 m )
post #17 of 17
When I tried the V12, I compared it against the Izor 9:7, mostly for my own convenience. My impressions were posted here.
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Originally Posted by comprex
TESTERS OF THE STORM

AKA

Salomon Crossmax V12 170 cm vs. ATOMIC IZOR 9.7 168cm


Terrain: Eastern Canada on a storm day (temps -8c to 5c, winds 10 to 50+km/h, ice/sleet/wet on top of 20cm powder on top of groomed & frozen)

Skier: 6ft 200lbs feeling level 6-7ish.

Impressions:

Heavy loose powder (clotted cream to porridge):
Izor: B+ Engages very well, over the entire length of the ski. Snappy response to short turns, very easy to modulate into long turns. Tip engages almost instantly, somewhat difficult to modulate and feather carving vs. drift behaviour.
CrossmaxV12: B I called this ski the 'porridge tip': on lighter surface it felt as though the tip does not engage at all, on the 170cm ski it felt as though the ski started at about the (look at topsheet graphic) cylinder pivot pin. Short turns took a bit to initiate but once started it felt as though the midbody of the ski was pulling into tighter and tighter turns. In heavier, wetter porridge the ski did engage at the tip, but didn't wish to be modulated into long turns. Very easy to feather into skidding drifts.
Verglas crust on loose snow on windslab
Izor:: A Tip cracks right through and holds a deep carve. Tail can punch through on its own, so wedeln is perfectly possible.
Crossmax V12: C Ski tracks in response to steering input, refuses to carve or punch through without strong unweighting motion. Steering response very damp and tractable.
Bumps and trees, carving
Izor: A Felt like any part of the ski would hold on any part of the bump. Turn completion & active lower body with significant angulation & forward balance vital or one gets dumped backwards.
Crossmax V12 B- Only the midbody of the ski was active; the ski skied effectively 15cm shorter.
Bumps and trees, direct line jackrabbit
Izor: D for Don't Do It. It will hurt when you get Dumped.
Crossmax V12: B Very soft tip & tail actually a Bonus in this scenario.
Windscour on top of melted & refrozen corduroy AKA random ice & coral reef
Izor: A Unflappable. Sliced right through everything. If the edges are sharp, no crampons needed. Any weight split, from 90/10 on the downhill to 60/40 meant very clean very modulated carves were just a bit of toe pressure away. Slight quibble: demands strong -forward- weight bias on downhill ski or tip does vibrate a bit. Demands sharp edges of course.
Crossmax V12: B- Demanded 90/10 weight split and strong steering input to downhill ski. Tips do not chatter but midbody lets go otherwise.
Race piste (groomed superhardpack steep)
Izor: A- Not enough rebound to mimic a true race ski
Crossmax V12: Not tested

Overall impressions:

Izor is a nice patrol ski for a strong patroller, assuming forward balance, relatively hard snow conditions, and modern carving skills.

Crossmax V12 is a nice lesson ski for students of higher-level carving, especially on softer snow. Probably work well in that role on hard snow as well as one can scold it into pretty much any exercise the instructor names.
To sum up my thinking then and since, I would size the V12 by skier weight not height, and there is a fair bit Salomon could change to make it better for my "style" of skiing.
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