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179 Bros - Soft or Stiff - or 183 Gotamas?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Would appreciate input from those who have had the good fortune to ski the 179 Bros. I am leaning toward 179 softs. I have read all the posts (primarily on TGR) on the 179 Bros, but wondered if anyone could offer feedback based on my particulars and experiences.

For reference, I would classify myself as a 7 or 8 level alpine skier, am 6'1"/190lbs, like to charge the mountain and enjoy trees as much as wide open terrain. I demo'd the 179 Made'n Aks in Silverton this year for 2 of 4 days and found them very enjoyable but a little floppy for my liking for crud busting and snow other than deep pow. Also have experience on the 179 Seth V, but mainly on harder snow conditions. Before reading the posts on Bros, I was leaning heavily toward 183 Gotamas based on my reading of posts and reviews.

Questions include: 179 Soft Bros vs. 183 Gotamas, 179 Stiff Bros vs. 183 Gotamas and are there any other skis in the field or lengths that I should be considering? Thanks in advance...
post #2 of 24
If you have not done so already, you should probably post this on TGR.
post #3 of 24
Go with the Bros. I don't have any hard evidence or first hand experience (yet), but I just got my 188 soft Bros in the mail today and I'm so f-ing pumped to get out on them this weekend! That is all.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses.

Mid - Did simultaneous post on TGR and here - expecting to get much more action from TGR as you had suggested. Needless to say, we were both right.

HD - the 188 softs sound sweeeeeet! I'm between them and the 179 stiffs at this point, but am leaning toward the 179s. Would love to hear your thoughts on your Bros when you get a chance to rock them.
post #5 of 24
Got superstiff 188 Bros (5'10'', 170 lbs) which should be the right length for you as well. However go with a soft flex since the superstiffs are pretty demanding (think Legend Pro), very responsive and tend to nosedive in pow if not mounted way back (started at 1045 and ended up 1065 straight from tip - PM Gear's recommendation was 1038 FYI). No easy turner as well.

If I would have to make the decision again on the Bro's I would go with a soft to medium flex as Harry did.
post #6 of 24
I'm picking them up tonight and hopefully skiing on them two days this weekend, so I'll post thoughts on Sunday or Monday.
post #7 of 24
How do them thar Bro's compare in stiffness to something like an Explosive and Mantra?
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
PowHog - Thanks for the input. Received recommendation on the other board for supers, but I feared tip dive and demandingness so I had pretty much ruled them out. If I could get two sets, I think I would get 179 stiffs and 188 softs. Am headed for the longer softs at this point as I have read plenty of complimentary posts about them being perfect for most conditions. BTW - plan to mount them on the line.

HD - Enjoy and I look forward to your post/thoughts!!

Woodee - Take my comments with a grain of salt because I haven't skied any of the above, but I understand the stiffs are closest to Mantras and softs will be closer to Gotama. I'm sure somebody else will be better equipped to answer those questions than me - - - especially if you post the Q on TGR Tech Talk.
post #9 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodee
How do them thar Bro's compare in stiffness to something like an Explosive and Mantra?
Superstiff Bros roughly equal Legend Pros
Stiffs roughly equal Explosives
Softs roughly equal Mantras

Don't get me wrong folks - the superstiffs have their ups too, very stable at Mach speed and great edgehold for a ski that wide. Just burly.
post #10 of 24

WELL What about the 188 Softs

OK Mr. Dunn,
What are you thinking so far, good bad or neutral I think we need to hear about your first experience with the Bro's. You have had two days! And if I'm not mistaken some fresh snow? Hate em? Love em? Still thinking about it?
I am also curious because the new generation of Softs is a bit softer than my last Gen Soft’s. They also had some other improvements (Tweaking) of Camber and Tip profile.

How did you have them tuned? How much edje detuned Base side bevel (You know)
And please remind us, What were you sking before,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
I'm picking them up tonight and hopefully skiing on them two days this weekend, so I'll post thoughts on Sunday or Monday.
post #11 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by PowHog
Superstiff Bros roughly equal Legend Pros
Stiffs roughly equal Explosives
Softs roughly equal Mantras

Don't get me wrong folks - the superstiffs have their ups too, very stable at Mach speed and great edgehold for a ski that wide. Just burly.
i think ive read that the softs are slightly softer than the explosivs and the stiffs slightly stiffer than the explosivs.
so in other words, explosiv is medium in bro world

edit: oh yea moosenuckle...get bros and get them in 188. Youre 190 and are plenty big for them. As for stiffness, maybe the softs?
post #12 of 24
if you like Rossignol Bandit/B series (not B-Squad or the huge missile of a 198 B4) then the Soft Bros.

if you like Stockli Stormriders then the Stiff/firm Bros.

that's how it was described to me.

not so sure a Level 7 is going to get much out of skiing a big performance ski, though. and it's not so easy to "grow into" a ski, contrary to popular belief.

might want to ask on TGR about whether the Bro Model is suitable for intermediates, which is what a Level 7 skier is. but maybe you're just being modest (not likely if you're a guy, quite likely if you're a girl)...?
post #13 of 24
It has now been 4 days! WELL?




Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
I'm picking them up tonight and hopefully skiing on them two days this weekend, so I'll post thoughts on Sunday or Monday.
post #14 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
if you like Rossignol Bandit/B series (not B-Squad or the huge missile of a 198 B4) then the Soft Bros.

if you like Stockli Stormriders then the Stiff/firm Bros.

that's how it was described to me.

not so sure a Level 7 is going to get much out of skiing a big performance ski, though. and it's not so easy to "grow into" a ski, contrary to popular belief.

might want to ask on TGR about whether the Bro Model is suitable for intermediates, which is what a Level 7 skier is. but maybe you're just being modest (not likely if you're a guy, quite likely if you're a girl)...?
imho - while the Bros offer a very high level of performance (they are quiet, damp, floaty and fast), they are also amazingly....uuhh, how do I put it....EASY to ski!!!

I don't know if it's less shape in the tail, the light weight or the progressive flex (or all 3) but my 188 soft bros (last years) are my go to ski when I'm tired and it's tracked out pow and I need something zippy and easy to turn...but at the same time they allow you to 'turn it up' when you want to...I would think any level 7-8 skier could ski the soft bros in powder and utilize them as well or better than they would any other powder ski out there...

...another testimonial....my wife demo'd the 179 (stiff I believe)...it was the longest ski she had ever been on and she found them easier to turn than her 174 phat luvs and yet they gave her a higher level of performance...they were obviously very confidence inspiring since she was going SCARY fast...ask MTT he was there...hey MTT, guess who?

...and I guess I go against uncle crud here...but I can say without any hesitation that buying skis that kicked my ass for a while was responsible for an amazing jump in my skills...I'm too old to be improving like I am...I blame the skis
post #15 of 24
OK, sorry... I was busy this weekend and wasn't at work yesterday (so no posting!). I skied two days on them, entirely different conditions. For reference, I'm about 5'11", 190lbs.

First off, let's get hardpack and groomers out of the way... these things absolutely RAIL on them! Now keep this in mind, I've been skiing floppy twin tips for the last two years (Seth Pistols and Public Enemies), so the 188 softs felt very stiff to me, and very stable. Someone on carving skis will think differently of them, but they work for me. I skied Loveland on Saturday with them, and there was 3-4" of new snow on a decent base. I didn't ski powder enough to speak to them there, but I did ski in some chopped up pow with short stretches of untouched. I'll say that they bust thru the crud a lot like my old Volant FB's... you can't even tell that its crud or chopped. SO NICE.

These things are so light that they're great in the trees as well- I usually ski 175-180cm, but with the extra length in the 188 Bros, it didn't bother me at all. If you can get your hands on a pair of these, I HIGHLY recommend them. I'll report back once (and if) I get them in some deep pow!
post #16 of 24
One more thing... Uncle Crud, I find your post funny to a point... I owned the Rossi B2's and didn't like them at all- but I love the Bros. Maybe the B2's don't count though because they're so skinny comparatively.
post #17 of 24
They do indeed rail on the groomers. Of course, with a 99mm waist and a 30+ meter radius you need to enter the turn "gently". If you lay them over and expect them to immediately respond and hold you up with g-forces, then you're going to be hipchecking.

What crud is trying to get at, i think, is that an intermediate will just think is a ski like any other ski. As you go up in skill, you will start to see the little things that make the bro different.
post #18 of 24
True...

I can't believe how light they are! My girl has some 158 Atomic B7's, and I swear they weigh about the same.
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks to all for the input. In response to Unc, perhaps I undersold my abilities. I hate the big balled approach and don't do double back flips off cornices or straightline chutes, but do feel confident on most any resort access terrain. Enough on that. Also, I am not a fan of Rossi, but I know plenty who are.

My primary concern with determining the "right" ski for me was to make sure I didn't get a soft ski that was as soft or softer than the Maidens or SVs that I have skied. Also wanted to make sure I didn't go too short or too long. The latter posts (Harry Dunn, RJP and X-East) have done wonders for clearing up these issues for me.

My order will be in soon for the 188 softs. My season basically is over, so I can wait for slow turn around on the order and manufacturing delays. That said, I'd love to have them in hand sooner rather than later so I can admire them as I plan for the next season!! Will post a review when I have had the chance to ride them.
post #20 of 24
Moose- make sure you keep checking the TGR gear swap board... there's a few pair of Bros that come up for sale once in a while. Althought I've never seen a pair of soft's, you never know...
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks Harry - I'll keep my eyes open. I agree with your thoughts as to likelihood that I'll find 188 softs posted though. Don't want to sell me yours, do you!?!?
post #22 of 24
I would say that if you wait a little while you're almost guarunteed someone on TGR to unload their softs in the next season. Problem with this is that they will likely get sold in less than 5 minutes and probably won't be sold for too much less than they were bought for. My suggestion is to get ya self some brand spankin new ones.....but I'm never one to skimp on ski gear.
post #23 of 24
188 softs,

Just came down from the Mt. Rose WE HAD another Powder day. I had one of those perfect runs today. Found some deep pockets of soft snow and just did it right! The perfect run Nervana!!

I JUST LOVE THESE SKI's!!
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 

Update

188 Softs are on the way. Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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