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New Slalom skis: Volkl, Dynastar, Elan?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Dear Bears,

- Male, 5'7", 160#, 44 years old
- Skiing for 35 years, ski 40 days a year Christmas, weekends and spring break.
- Level 8/9, ski the whole mountain, dble blacks, bumps bowls, trees BUT, I live in Ontario and primarily ski ice, with the occasional treasured trip west.
- Adult racing house league
- Past skis: 190cm K2 710s, 203cm Dynastar MV5s, 198cm Salomon 2s, 177cm Rossi Vipers
- Current skis: 162cm Atomic SL9s, Elan GX Fusion Pro

I like the SL9's, have enjoyed them for two seasons. However after a year in house league racing I am comtemplating getting a 155 CM race slalom ski. I can get a great deal on:
- Elan SLX WC in a 155 CM
- Dynastar Omeglass 63's in 157cm
- Volkl P60 SC WC race stock

Any opinions -)?

Thanks,
Gord
post #2 of 18
Get 165's.
post #3 of 18
My Wife is on 165 P60 Race stocks, and also has a pair of Race tigers in a 160 and absolutely loves both skis. The P60s offer a little more snap, however she is on her racetigers more due to coaching. She was on a pair of Stocklis over the weekend (laser SL) and found them to be rather dead feeling also they were very light as well. The Volkls seem to have a bit more heft to them. I would recommend at least getting a pair of 160s. That being said, I don't believe that you could go wrong with Volkl.
-Phil
post #4 of 18

Omeglass 63 157's

If interested in this ski, call Action Sports Outlet. $250.

Fun ski, quick, good snap, smooth and it won't kill you. Also fairly tolerant of mistakes as long as you stay off of the tails.

Definately a light touch ski.

Good luck with whatever you decide on.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Get 165's.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PDManseau
I would recommend at least getting a pair of 160s. That being said, I don't believe that you could go wrong with Volkl.
-Phil
I've read similar prior comments from HeluvaSkier on the slalom length. My question is if I am talking about using them strictly for slalom gates - no freeskiing wouldn't the 155s be quicker?

Would I be better off just sticking with my 160 SL9's than a shorter race stock ski?

Opinions very much appreciated.

P.S. Ellensdad - that's the very deal I was looking at. Thx.
post #6 of 18
The new Atomic SL12 in the best ski I have skied in a long time. The are also bring back the SL9. The dealers can get them now.
post #7 of 18
I have some fischer 156cm SLs for sale. Yes they will be quicker.
post #8 of 18
No, they will not be quicker. They will be less stable. 165's will have a similar turning radius, but you will get more ski under you, thus are a lot faster. You're a guy right? Ski on a men's ski. You will not be sorry. You and I are the same size... I was concerned at first, but after I got on the skis, they rip. I will not go back. Try the Fischer 166cm SL if you are worried about quickness.
Later
GREG

EDIT: Remember, a 155 and 165 in modern slalom skis do not have the same foot print. Usually the longer ski has a wider tip and tail... and similar radii.
post #9 of 18
Then why did FIS restrict men to min length of 165?
post #10 of 18
Do a search. One big reason was over 50% of the field falling.
Have you skied both back to back?
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
Turns out the Elan I mentioned is not available, the Dynastar is not race stock, so I don't see it bringing much improvement over my SL9's.

The only option is the 155cm Volkl P60 SC WC which is a race stock ski, but now of course Heluva has me : over whether I should be considering the 155 (the big deal is not available in a longer size).

I may actually have to demo, which contrary to all practical advice has not previously been my usual route.

Any other thoughts are welcome.

Thanks,
Gord
post #12 of 18
Every time I search for the reason, all I get is the rule.....
post #13 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by GordM
Turns out the Elan I mentioned is not available, the Dynastar is not race stock, so I don't see it bringing much improvement over my SL9's.
The retail Dynastar would be in the same bracket as the retail SL:11 not the SL:9.
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
The knowledge that there is still a great deal out ther on 155s/157s is too much for me to just drop this. So, . . .

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
You're a guy right? Ski on a men's ski. You will not be sorry. You and I are the same size...
EDIT: Remember, a 155 and 165 in modern slalom skis do not have the same foot print. Usually the longer ski has a wider tip and tail... and similar radii.
Greg,

Yup. I'm a guy, but I'm mid forties (not mid twenties or even thirties), new to racing. I think it would be a bold statement on my part to assume I have the athleticism of an FIS male skier and I don't believe for a second that I am anywhere close to an FIS female (and probably only about 10-20 lbs heavier than most).

155s/157s seem to be available cheap, 165s do not (maybe that should be telling me something?)

Given that I am not willing to shell out the bigger coin for 165s, my decision is whether I:
A) Do nothing, continue on my Atomic SL9 160's until I am ready spend the money or find a cheap pair of good 165s.
- OR -
B) Take the Dynastar 157 or Volkl 155, on the basis that I am not at the level of an FIS Male?

Are the 155s/157s really that much worse/different for an aging wanna-be?

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Have you skied both back to back?
Not to throw that back at you, but assuming you have skied them back to back, what were the differences?

Thanks,
Gord
post #15 of 18
I agree about the 165's, but I appreciate your dilemma too. If you want the good deal, then I'd go Volkl over Dynastar (assuming those are your 2 final options) The Dynastars are soft, they feel small, and will probably not be any upgrade at all over an SL9 (maybe a downgrade?). If you get the Volkl's, get the race stock if you can.

Of all the SL skis available, I'd put Rossi and Dynastar at the bottom of my list. (my personal opinion, of course)
post #16 of 18
Have you checked out www.raceskis.com? While not rock bottom, they have some pretty good deals on retail race skis. This year's Fischer worldcup sl's at $ 499, you usually don't see this years skis discounted much more than that until it's too late to use them. Last time I checked they had a 166 too. If you are not in a big hurry and don't mind last year's model used ski just keep your eye on eBay. Although slalom skis come up more infrequently, you often run into racers who are trying to unload past year's skis to make room in the basement.

I think most men prefer the 165 for stability as noted by Greg (think of trying to do a slalom on snow blades to frame the issues with shorter skis). But an additional reason why these are scarce is the FIS rules. FIS legal for men even at masters level is 165cm. I don't know if this is a problem for you but if you are doing anything other than club racing and somebody gets picky you might have to deal with a challenge.

Atomic's and Fischer's at retail are generally stiffer skis that require a little more power, Dynastars and Rossi tend to be damp and more technique driven, if this is a help.
post #17 of 18
Quote:
Given that I am not willing to shell out the bigger coin for 165s, my decision is whether I:
A) Do nothing, continue on my Atomic SL9 160's until I am ready spend the money or find a cheap pair of good 165s.
- OR -
B) Take the Dynastar 157 or Volkl 155, on the basis that I am not at the level of an FIS Male?

Are the 155s/157s really that much worse/different for an aging wanna-be?
Gord if you have to purchase now go for the Volkls but.....Greg is right about the 165s. Masters does not enforce the length rule or any of those big boy FIS rules.

However even tho the Volks will work after all is said and done.......still your best option is to continue to use your Atomics until.......Action Sports Outlet/eBay or whoever has some Fisch/Volk/Elan/Head/Ross/Dyno or whatever 165s at your price.

Best wishes in this!

- Fossil
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
It's been a while since I looked at this thread. I did not buy. I will work on my skiing a little more, and re-visit when a pair of 165's become available and I feel I have earned them.

I did attend a two day adult slalom camp last weekend and had a blast, so maybe next year.

Thanks everybody for the input, who knows I might even demo before purchasing.
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