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post #31 of 36
I do not want the patience turns you are suggesting in the first half. Nor do I want to see an early edge in a leisurely turn.....

But I want the second half of your post - be patient making the skis turn to the other direction. I thought that was clear, when I said to spread the speed control over the entire turn.

I want steered turns from start to finish. Throught extension and through flexion.

"Patience IS a funny thing......"
post #32 of 36
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Okay guys. We are taking "leisurely turns" and developing it into a fine art, or "how to ski down a black diamond slope and looking like you are not working at all" : In fact, that was the mode under which I was operating when the clip was taken. I was showing a couple of folks who were working much too hard that is is possible to ski and make it not look like work. Man, I never thought it was such hard work to make skiing look like not work.

I certainly see the weakness in my turns, and see a need to avoid excessive pressure at the bottom to result in that abstem. I think excessive pressure at the bottom of turns is an issue I need to address in my more athletic turns as well.

BigE says a predominantly steered turn will make my "leisure turns" even more leisurely. However, I prefer a better edge set to give that cleaner turn feel. Kneale and Lonnie says to engage my edges sooner to inject more dynamic'ness into my turns. What I am hearing from all is that I need to make my edging, pressuring, and steering happen sooner and happen more progressively in order not to rush the bottom of the turns. I certainly don't quibble with this. Thank you again to all for your input. You have given me much to think about, and to work on. You guys are a great resource!
post #33 of 36
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Originally Posted by josseph
BigE says a predominantly steered turn will make my "leisure turns" even more leisurely. However, I prefer a better edge set to give that cleaner turn feel. Kneale and Lonnie says to engage my edges sooner to inject more dynamic'ness into my turns. What I am hearing from all is that I need to make my edging, pressuring, and steering happen sooner and happen more progressively in order not to rush the bottom of the turns. I certainly don't quibble with this. Thank you again to all for your input. You have given me much to think about, and to work on. You guys are a great resource!
I think you are reading too much into BigE's comment.

By gently steering your skis and engaging the edges progressivly instead of making a quick move to redirect your skis into the fall line and setting your edges, your turns will look more leisurely but it will also give you a cleaner turn feel and control your speed better. I don't think he meant skidding your turns. Far from it.

By engaging the edges instead of pushing the skis sideways to set the edges you will carve a cleaner arc and there will be less of a chance that your skis will not hook up and make that turn. There should be less chatter and more clean arcing..

DC
post #34 of 36
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Originally Posted by dchan
There should be less chatter and more clean arcing..
There is nothing clean about the turn I was suggesting. Steer all the way through all the time. No clean arc, no rails. Try it. I've already over-taught this.... if I say more about it, it'll go stale. Try it.

Hey,was that my rum getting opened?

Cheers!
post #35 of 36
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Originally Posted by BigE
There is nothing clean about the turn I was suggesting. Steer all the way through all the time. No clean arc, no rails.
My mistake. I was "keying" in on your patience at the top with less redirect.. Must have erased the steered turn from my very bad short term memory:

I know what turn you are talking about.. the "money turn" as one of my mentors have said.. It's the one we do when we are "making money" with the intermediate student following us down the easy groomers. nice round skidded low edge angle steered turn....

Thanks for setting me straight.
post #36 of 36
That's the one!
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