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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
On the end of my second run this morning I came apone a male skier laying on the snow. I was not working but I still monitor are Ambassador channel. There was another skier there, but she came apone him just seconds before I did. He was unresponsive, I called for a sled for a unconsious, appears to be a 30 y/o male. I waited for the sled. I asked the women to go above the lip and block traffic. After about 4 minutes he began to open his eyes. I told him to please stay down, I was a Employee and have called for a sled. He began to move and sit up, I repeated my request. It was as if he didn't know I was there.

When Patrol got there he was sitting up asking "how did I get here" When Patrol checked him out they asked him if he knew his helmet was cracked? By that time some of his friends had hiked back up from the lift line. They said it was a new helmet. Again he asked "how did I get here". Patrol put a collar on him and put him on a backboard. When they removed his helmet, I was surprised to see he had very little hair. His friends said he was 56y/o. I got a cold chill.

I'm 51y/o, I tend to ski fast at times. Today the snow was very fast, I had to tell myself to slow down. I had just came down Ledges a trail that I tend to fly on, but this run I told myself this was not a day to go that fast. Granted the snow was groomed to perfection as Okemo is noted for, the sky was clear with lots of sun. Something just told me to slow down. I'm glad I listned to my inner self.

This 56 y/o man's friends told me his daughter works in First Aid at Dartmouth Ski Way and they told me about the boy who fell off the lift there. I mention that because it ties this story into the post on the Family Ski Forum "Kids falling off lifts".

Please be safe out there.
post #2 of 22
Max,

Thank you for your attentiveness. You and I have skied Okemo fast many times, I wear a helmet because of you (in a good way ).

Everyone else,

I have skied with Max on numerous occations at Okemo and he is always aware of what is going on around hime when he is both on and off duty.
post #3 of 22
Did you notice the brand of helmet?
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Did you notice the brand of helmet?
excellent question!
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
Something just told me to slow down. I'm glad I listned to my inner self.
Twice I have ignored that little voice, and twice I have had to deal with an orthopedic surgion. I am very fortunate that it was not my family that had to deal with a funeral director. It's a very quiet voice, and easy to overlook when you young.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Did you notice the brand of helmet?

Yes, the same one I wear. Beori Myto. I hope this doesn't turn into a helmet bashing thread. The helmet did what it was designed to do, take the impact, rather then his head.
post #7 of 22
Max .... no .. you won't get any helmet bashing from me and we have the same helmet.

There was an article that I posted on about two years ago regarding helmet safety. I forget the brand, but they failed to meet the standards at the temps we ski at. They shattered at something like twenty degrees.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Max .... no .. you won't get any helmet bashing from me and we have the same helmet.

There was an article that I posted on about two years ago regarding helmet safety. I forget the brand, but they failed to meet the standards at the temps we ski at. They shattered at something like twenty degrees.
I remember that, it was a Boeri, but not the Myto. I'll take a look the next time I get to the hill, cause I wear that model Boeri. I know, but I look really cool with it on.:
post #9 of 22
Max,

The crash you're talking about wasn't the code they had early yesterday, was it? My sister and I saw that one coming across Open Slope as we got off the A Quad around 10 or so -- it's something I never like seeing, although whenever I do that little voice usually begins speaking just a bit louder.
post #10 of 22
If funny, I had big issues with speed my first day a Jackson Hole las year. it was right after that woman was killed by the snowboarder.Mortality can rear its ugly head sometimes.
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 
Chris,

I made the call for a sled around 8:20 AM (at the end of my second run). I got down to the high speed around 8:45AM and the line was hugh already. I remember saying to myself, it's time to move to a different lift.
post #12 of 22
Did the 56 yr old collide w/someone, wipe out alone, or pass out from illness? I hope to be at Okemo on the 10th. Believe temps will be rising, perhaps leading to softer snow conditions? Hoping for none of the bad kind of precip. Is it likely to be busy enough to warrant parking at Jackson Gore, or will main base be light? Also, believe Max Capacity mentioned in another thread that Roundhouse is good for lunch. Is that on summit? Thanks.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
Chris,

I made the call for a sled around 8:20 AM (at the end of my second run). I got down to the high speed around 8:45AM and the line was hugh already. I remember saying to myself, it's time to move to a different lift.
Yes, it was quite crowded this past weekend, wasn't it? I would have been out around 8:30, but unfortunately several of us pulled a Bode at Tom's Big Red Barn after work on Saturday, so we were a little slow getting out of bed Sunday morning!
post #14 of 22
today from the lift there was an almighty WHACK from 2 boarders smacking into each other. Very loud sound. They both deflected and went flying. The first up was a youngish boy who sat up and was distressed and sang out "How did I get here? What happened? I don't know what happened". The other man slid down the hill on his back head first, and then lay still for about 10 seconds. Then he began to convulse.
The two uninjured snowboard droogs came down to him.

When we reached the top, people from the chairs ahead were already reporting it, and every chair after was trying to report it.
A patroller was in the lift room, so he and I skiied down...

And they were gone!!!!!!!!!!

Evidently the droogs had boarded down with the two, and god knows where they'd gone. Unbelievable. Plainly, both had head trauma, but their dear friends thought it fit to move them.
post #15 of 22
A few years back I was hit and knocked out by one of my students (a nine year old girl.) I was in and out for a while. I skied down while I was "out". A supervisor had called for patrol, but I slipped away while his back was turned (he was helping the girl, who was fine). There's alot more to the story, but long story short, I'm fine today....

L
post #16 of 22
I've been trained in cpr, and know the drill about concussions, although I've never seen a serious one. I know that when I got knocked off my bike (helmet struck ground), I sat up immediately, and stood up after a few seconds when I realized I was OK. The pain from the broken collarbone hit after about 20 seconds. There are stories of course of people walking away from car accidents and suffering serious concussions minutes or even hours later. The urge to at least sit up is and gain your bearings is just overwhelming, probably as a defense mechanism from adrenaline. Maybe some day they will discover a medical reason why getting up is good, sort of like staying awake after a drug overdose. If there is a chance of a broken neck, however, it makes sense to keep the injured person immobile.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Lonnie
A few years back I was hit and knocked out by one of my students (a nine year old girl.) I was in and out for a while. I skied down while I was "out". A supervisor had called for patrol, but I slipped away while his back was turned (he was helping the girl, who was fine). There's alot more to the story, but long story short, I'm fine today....

L
Were you wearing some sort of brain bucket out of curiosity? That's a heck of a nine year old.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by skiii
I've been trained in cpr, and know the drill about concussions, although I've never seen a serious one. I know that when I got knocked off my bike (helmet struck ground), I sat up immediately, and stood up after a few seconds when I realized I was OK. The pain from the broken collarbone hit after about 20 seconds. There are stories of course of people walking away from car accidents and suffering serious concussions minutes or even hours later. The urge to at least sit up is and gain your bearings is just overwhelming, probably as a defense mechanism from adrenaline. Maybe some day they will discover a medical reason why getting up is good, sort of like staying awake after a drug overdose. If there is a chance of a broken neck, however, it makes sense to keep the injured person immobile.
When I was in Steamboat over the holidays, I suffered a very (very) minor concussion due to badly misjuding a jump. What I thought was a nice snow-covered boulder I had seen the day before was in fact just a kicker someone had built; the boulder was about 50 yards to my right. I overshot the landing, didn't push strongly enough with my legs on the landing, and whacked my head pretty good on my knees. I skiied about 30 feet down the slope and out of the way of any skiers, and promptly fell over since my vision was green, I couldn't really see, I could feel a piece of tooth in my mouth along with something else that didn't feel quite right (I put a nice hole about halfway through my tongue, although that healed in less than a week), and I had a wicked headache.

I know I sure as heck didn't feel like getting up after that. I just wanted to lay there, get my helmet off (it felt really bad having my head in the helmet), and assess the damage. Nothing major, as it turned out (the piece of tooth was so small it's not noticeable unless you look for it), and my head felt alright after a couple more runs. I definitely didn't put my helmet back on and stand back up on my skis for a good ten minutes or so, though.

My point is, it seems strange that someone would willingly get up and ski/board away after suffering a concussion or head trauma. Is it just due to the body going in shock, and the person thinks they're fine?
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by tennisets
My point is, it seems strange that someone would willingly get up and ski/board away after suffering a concussion or head trauma. Is it just due to the body going in shock, and the person thinks they're fine?
I have no idea why, but its a real phenom. I've seen people get up and ski away not being able to speak (intelligibly) or hear.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Max .... no .. you won't get any helmet bashing from me and we have the same helmet.

There was an article that I posted on about two years ago regarding helmet safety. I forget the brand, but they failed to meet the standards at the temps we ski at. They shattered at something like twenty degrees.
Actualy, a cracked helmet is not necessarily a sign of poor quality. It's supposed to absorb the energy of the impact and may crack by doing it.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by philippeR
Actualy, a cracked helmet is not necessarily a sign of poor quality. It's supposed to absorb the energy of the impact and may crack by doing it.
Yeah.

I've tested (hehe, the ASTM wouldn't approve of my methods) some unsaleable helmets and found that the ones with hard PE shells hold up remarkably well to impact from objects.

Think 16oz hammer, swinging claw side as hard as possible at helmet mounted in vise....required multiple blows to puncture. Using the business end of the hammer, maybe half a dozen or more full windups.

Agreed though that a cracked helmet in no way implys it didn't do the job.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Were you wearing some sort of brain bucket out of curiosity? That's a heck of a nine year old.
No. It wouldn't have helped in the situation I was in (un-less it was a full face Motorcross style). She caught me right under the chin at about 30-35 mph. The last thing I remember before waking up on the snow (and going back out) was seeing her streaking towards me at about 2-3' away and thinking "OH $#!+, this is going to hurt....." I had to endure jokes about having a "glass jaw" for the rest of the season.
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