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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by Powdr
...Again, does it really matter? How many days do you really wait that long anyway...
Powdr
Every skier I know hates lift lines more than a few minutes long especially we older skiers that skied back in days before the express lifts. If I see a chair or two now and then that is not full, I'm not going to complain as sh!t happens even to the most experienced of us occasionally. That's as far as your math is worth. But any chair with a line more than a few minutes with chairs chronically being un-filled as we have seen from time to time immediately will get myself and others angry at both the likely inexperienced lift wrangler and those purpetrating the inefficiency.


...dave
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by dave_SSS
..Every skier I know hates lift lines more than a few minutes long especially we older skiers that skied back in days before the express lifts.
Seems to me lift lines were *longer* back in the days before detachables. I remember times at the old double chairs where we would routinely wait 30 minutes, sometimes up to 45 minutes before getting on a lift. Now, 20 minutes is long.

Powdr
post #33 of 41
Now I remember why I've been skiing on less favorable days, such as blizzards (well, no blizzards this year, so kind of snowy days), and sub-zero temperature at night. I was beginning to wonder about myself: ...I do hate lift lines, and I have been avoiding them successfully this year
post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by bunion
Yea I'm looking for this guy, I'm sure he's a season pass holder. I've seen him and buddy's on the lift with the bar up, a number of times.



Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!:
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it's about consideration. Some people just blow the rest of us off for some kind of personal pleasure.


At least some of us get it.
post #35 of 41
This happens at every ski area I've ever been at. Hood, Crystal, Stevens, Breck, Whistler/Blackcomb and I'm sure based on the posts above it's happening at a ski area near you. So it must be human nature. I have seen the flipside happen. 5 people trying for a quad. Pretty funny to see the guy sit in someones lap and then fall off the chair. (Was only about 3 feet in the air.) The liftie gave the guy a stern lecture about knowing how to load a lift and how many seats, etc.
post #36 of 41
My Industrial Management course just talked about this. Inefficiency however small is always a big deal. A 1% daily inefficiency costs 1% of gross - not margin. It costs %/margin . So loosing time in line means you are loosing 1% of your day, and an increased percentage of ski time. If you spend 20% of your day on a lift 1% inefficiency costs you 1.25% of your skiing time. If you ski fast and spend half your time in line/on lifts this means a 1% inefficiency costs you 2% - It's entirely possible a moderate inefficiency could cost a fast skiier one hour of ski time in a day.

Of course no one minds if the lift s not at capacity but in the case that there is a constant line every inefficiency backs up the line. Example: For a quad, say you get two half chairs every 20 chairs (one 'friend split' every 2 minutes, not all that much - pretty efficient actually)

So 76 of 80 riders on the chair = 5% inefficiency. On a HSQ w/ 2800 Capacity/HR this is 140 people per hour not going up the mountain. This translates to the line growing about 2.5 riders per minute assuming the lift is able to serve 100% of the current capacity. Seems like no biggy, but what was a ski right on lift at 10:00am has become a 560 person line at 2:00pm - That's an extra 140 chairs - or 20 minutes. If it's underpopulated and you have extra capacity efficiency is not an issue, but as soon as you hit capacity you need to be as efficient as possible or every time you fall behind you can't really catch back up. This also assumes the lift never stops because people fall down while un/loading or other mishaps that are bound to happen - so the line is actually worse in reality than 'calculated' numbers.

Lifts can only go so fast, there is no way to catch up if you are at capacity. People splitting are screwing over not only everyone in line currently, but everyone who will ride the lift later that day. In fact if someone only rides one lift and splits it every time, it's concevable they screw themselves (and anyone else who only rides that lift) out of several runs in a day.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE CAPACITY INEFFICIENCIES.
post #37 of 41
I saw two racers try to do this yesterday at Lake Louise. Even though the line was pretty inconsequential, they lined up like they were going with this other pair and then stayed back, I forced my way on with my friend and then harassed them, it was fun.
post #38 of 41
Originally Posted by bunion
Yea I'm looking for this guy, I'm sure he's a season pass holder. I've seen him and buddy's on the lift with the bar up, a number of times.



Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!:


it's about consideration. Some people just blow the rest of us off for some kind of personal pleasure.


And some folks feel the overwhelming need to enforce THE RULES... No matter whether or not those rules are important!!!! After all, they are.... THE RULES!!!!

Take a valium and try to relax a bit. Its just sliding down a snow covered hill on a pair of sticks. Isn't skiing about enjoyment? How can you enjoy your day when you are worried about some dumbass that won't put the bar down??? Let it go...


At least some of us get it.

Not so sure about that one chief....
post #39 of 41
There is a mix of skiers at a resort. Some know what to do and how to do it, and some are still learning.
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by KennyG
Example: For a quad, say you get two half chairs every 20 chairs (one 'friend split' every 2 minutes, not all that much - pretty efficient actually) So 76 of 80 riders on the chair = 5% inefficiency. On a HSQ w/ 2800 Capacity/HR this is 140 people per hour not going up the mountain. This translates to the line growing about 2.5 riders per minute assuming the lift is able to serve 100% of the current capacity. Seems like no biggy, but what was a ski right on lift at 10:00am has become a 560 person line at 2:00pm - That's an extra 140 chairs - or 20 minutes.
Lifts can only go so fast, there is no way to catch up if you are at capacity. People splitting are screwing over not only everyone in line currently, but everyone who will ride the lift later that day. In fact if someone only rides one lift and splits it every time, it's concevable they screw themselves (and anyone else who only rides that lift) out of several runs in a day.
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE CAPACITY INEFFICIENCIES.
That's what I'm saying. glad someone else sees it. Not that it affects me sice I get to cut lines, but....
post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by Powdr
As stated by other before: we live in a society that seems to have lost it's value for consideration for others. My dad would have opened a can of wup a$$ on me (probably still would today) if he saw me do that kind of sh!t.

Powdr
So, so, SO true. Both statements. I see this here, the Cult of Self (and to one's offspring/spouse). And the complete lack of interest in extending a normal upbringing to one's offspring, so they grow up as good members of society. I think many dads now open a can of whooparse if the kid does something to personally annoy the dad, nothing more.
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