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post #62 of 74
For the fact checkers-Realskiers.com is an umbrella site run by Peter Keelty sp?, with prirmary focus of equipment review. PMTS forum is one of several forums available there. A link area on REalskiers guides others to sites like Epic.
post #63 of 74
in response to lonnie the little fella penned the following;

"Get a life , you are a waist of time. I won't even go into what a great person Tyer is and what his family represensents, because someone as ignorant as you doesn't deserve to know people are good as the Hamiltons. You are the typical internet winnie, that trashes people you don't know. You are now on the expulsion list for the PMTS forum, right now, one more idiot post you're out, down goes Fraser."

was the gnome drunk?

i don't know which is worse, the gnome suit, the spelling, the grammer, or the vitriol.

in a perverse way he kinda cute when he's all riled up.

what's a winnie?

guess he told you lonnie. remember....one more:
post #64 of 74
High Russty,

I gave him too moore four goode meausure.

Seriously, My beef is two fold. One, claiming that one had anything to do with somebody elses Olympic medal from another sport after coaching them in skiing is ludicrous. I once taught a Pro Surfer. Had he won the world championships, I would not have claimed any success in the victory. I've taught many lesser know Hollywood types (during Sundance.) If they go on to win an Oscar, I'm not claiming any responsibility for that. Would any of you? My other beef is with the results of Tyler's blood doping. So lets give the benefit of the doubt and say that Harald DID have something to do with Tyler's success in Athens. Well, his doping controls indicated that he had somebody else's blood in him at the time of the victory. The backup sample, the one they truly convict you on, was accidentally destroyed so they couldn't 100% confirm the results of the "A" sample. But given he failed the exact same test (both "A" and "B" controls) in Spain a few weeks later there's pretty strong evidence that he wasn't clean in Athens. Do any of you want to claim responsibility for somebody that was cheating?

Through all of this, you would not have found a bigger Tyler Hamilton fan than me. The parallels to us are too similar. A skier, turned bike rider. That's me to a tee. If Harald bans me from his site, I'll find it very ironic. All I did was tell the truth, and he got called on it. No personal attacks, just the truth. Maybe it's as Jack Nicholson said in whatever movie that was "You can't handle the truth." It should also strike a cord with all the PMTS followers here. If Harald will manipulate and not fully disclose information in that setting, and get rid of people that do, what other topics might there not be full discloser on......

Finally I think that my post from cycling forums said it best, quoting Tyler himself, with regards to his observations at the olympics. The setup for the thread was a poll "Who is the greatest American athlete of all time?" with Armstrong being one of the choices. I didn't vote as the poll was of course, FLAWED. Here's what I posted then (this was before the news of the blood tests came out)...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Hamilton
"Seeing that many top athletes - in various shapes and sizes - milling around was a sight in itself. I called my wife one night and remarked that it was amazing how many ways the human body could be perfected. It was like looking at a thousand different kinds of art all at once. "
http://www.velonews.com/diaries/ride...es/6872.0.html

Each sport emphasizes something different. It's too hard to compare between sports. Just respect what each athlete is able to do.

L
post #65 of 74
lonnie i agree wholeheartedly with everthing you said with one exception.

the doping and the dopes will continue vis a vis the quest for expert skiing because, after all, anyone can be an expert.
post #66 of 74
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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy
lonnie i agree wholeheartedly with everthing you said with one exception.

the doping and the dopes will continue vis a vis the quest for expert skiing because, after all, anyone can be an expert.
Sure, according to HH, anyone can be an expert. But also, according to HH, there are only about a dozen "expert" skiers in the world right now.:
post #67 of 74
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Originally Posted by Lonnie
It should also strike a cord with all the PMTS followers here. If Harald will manipulate and not fully disclose information in that setting, and get rid of people that do, what other topics might there not be full discloser on......
With regards to HH and PMTS what I care about is this...is HH a great coach and does PMTS work? I already know that the answer to both of these is a resounding yes. So all of the other stuff just doesn't matter to me. Oh yeah, I know, you guys are convinced that you all ski better than I do because I'm a lowly PMTS kool aide drinker. Whatever...I just like to ski. All this other stuff just doesn't matter to me.
post #68 of 74
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Originally Posted by Max_501
With regards to HH and PMTS what I care about is this...is HH a great coach and does PMTS work? I already know that the answer to both of these is a resounding yes. So all of the other stuff just doesn't matter to me. Oh yeah, I know, you guys are convinced that you all ski better than I do because I'm a lowly PMTS kool aide drinker. Whatever...I just like to ski. All this other stuff just doesn't matter to me.
Max,

I don't think anybody here has ever disputed HH ability as a coach and ski teacher. It's his willingness to sell eveyone else down the river that bothers me. If PSIA didn't work (Like HH claims), they wouldn't have thousands of members nationwide.

L
post #69 of 74
Max-
Lonnie is right. Harald is a great coach. The problem many people (including me) have with him is that he deals in absolutes- a right way and a wrong way. Although I have a couple issues with his concepts, I still recommend his program to a certain type of skier. A one-weekend a year skier just isn't going to get it, but a dedicated skier that responds well to race-oriented progressions probably will. PMTS most certainly works- for the right person. Any gifted coach/instructor will have enough in their bag of tricks to teach anyone to ski. If one way doesn't work, try another. If the student is athletic, balanced, and confident enough, try a direct to parallel method. Being too rigid in methodology just leads to a higher failure rate.
post #70 of 74
What Mike says!
post #71 of 74
Well said, AM!

I have been thinking about this for the past few days, as well, since I tripped across the Spring 2005 The Professional Skier with the picture of Deb Armstrong on the cover. She's on the PSIA Demo team, as many of you know. She actually is an Olympic medalist. Clearly, she can turn 'em right and left. The PSIA D Team isn't, in my experience, filled with gapers...
post #72 of 74
Don't worry,

If form holds true, and Deb Armstrong gets adquate mainstrem media attention in the here and now there will an association made by Harald Harb as a contributor of her success, if that doesn't happen then there will be no mention of it.
post #73 of 74
Hmmm... There's an interesting possibility buried in that comment. I wonder if the PSIA D Team could get more "Go With A Pro" visibility by doing just that. Deb is a great interview, after all! Can you see Deb and Nick on the Today show?!
post #74 of 74
harald is his own worst enemy. He has to attack everyone else and say that his way is the only way. I have some big problems with his way in the first place, but for someone to go on the attack like that, he invites everything he gets.
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