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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by Ghost
Why not crank it up a notch and over-cook a turn or two when there is no one in the way. Pick a spot where the worst that will happen is you go a little wide, not into the trees. You will quickly see just how much grip that edge will give you. Do it both sides, swap skis left to right and do it again.

My bet is the skis are worn out; if the longitudinal flex is gone the torsional rigidity could be too.

Edit: You do remember how to drift? Or have you been carving too much (an oxymoron?) lately .
This is essentially what I did.

The new cant on my right boot is something to which I'm still adjusting, and I think that this is contributing to my feelings about the right versus the left. I have more edge on the right than I've had in the past as a result of the cant, but I'm not getting the skis to engage. Furthermore, I couldn't get high edge angles at any time on harder snow without losing the edge completely. And not once all day did they snap through a turn under me. Doing crossunders was work and completely different.

I drifted most of the day. I hated it. I couldn't freely move in and out of the drift at will; I had to find soft snow to lock the edges up a bit, but even they they didn't seem really positive.

I am carving too much. And I've been told by some here that it's because I need to improve my technique. Probably right to some extent...
post #32 of 48
Greg Hoffman told me that I am 3 degrees out on the right leg. That should make for an interesting day tomorrow. Full report to follow once we finish the whole fitting process. So far, he is beyond awesome!
post #33 of 48
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dd,

I need to find skis before we hook up this week...
post #34 of 48
After skiing my Elan HCX yesterday, I made a decision to buy new SL skis. I may not be an expert, but I know when a ski does not behave properly. I was so disappointed with my day yesterday, that even my wife said I should buy new skis. I am normally on cloud 9 when I come home after a day on the slopes.

Although I liked the Head iSupershape and the Elan SLX Fusion Pro, I will probably get the SL Fusion Pro to better match my needs. The problem may be that these skis are out of stock. We'll see, but right now my mind is on packing. Yep, I am going with my wife to Big White, BC tomorrow morning. No need for SL skis there.
post #35 of 48
Steve if you have no other options, I could lend you my backup 165 RX8's, just seems like a lot of time and money to ship them back and forth. Let me know.
post #36 of 48

edge hold gone!

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Originally Posted by ssh
This is essentially what I did.
Furthermore, I couldn't get high edge angles at any time on harder snow without losing the edge completely. And not once all day did they snap through a turn under me. Doing crossunders was work and completely different.

I drifted most of the day. I hated it. I couldn't freely move in and out of the drift at will; I had to find soft snow to lock the edges up a bit, but even they they didn't seem really positive.
Steve,
That is exactly how they felt to me too.

Mine de-cambered on the 8th day of skiing!
(Mine were original 2005's)
post #37 of 48
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Originally Posted by TomB
Although I liked the Head iSupershape and the Elan SLX Fusion Pro, I will probably get the SL Fusion Pro to better match my needs. The problem may be that these skis are out of stock. We'll see, but right now my mind is on packing. Yep, I am going with my wife to Big White, BC tomorrow morning. No need for SL skis there.
Make sure you ping dawgcatching about these. He carries both Head and Elan and is likely to be very effective in helping you decide--and then giving you a good deal!
post #38 of 48
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Wow! Thanks, SMJ! I'll be OK, tho... But, I really loved those RX8s...
post #39 of 48
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Well, the good news for me is that it wasn't my technique. After skiing with Pierre yesterday--on bong's skis; bong, you are amazingly generous! Thank you!--it became clear that it was, indeed, the skis. The boots rode bong's Fischer WC SCs just fine, and I arced through stuff that looked hardpack to me (but I couldn't tell from the skiing, that's for sure!).

The new B5s just arrived from Atomic. I'll post after I've had a chance to get out and ride 'em. Thanks to Christy Sports in Boulder (and Dennis, the manager there, and Sean his warantee guy) for their help getting them back to Atomic and returned to me so quickly.
post #40 of 48
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It wasn't me, or the alignment!

...it was the skis!

Wow! I got on the new B5s this past Wednesday up at Copper with cgeib, bong, and our families (what a wonderful day we had!). I got angles on the B5s that I don't think I have ever gotten before. Chris gave me some observations, insights, and suggestions about my technique, and they made a difference, as well, but, the amazing thing was how wonderful and trustworthy the skis were. The absolute antithesis to how they were before.

In fact, they were so different that I'm starting to wonder if this problem occured early in the season and I just didn't know it because I was skiing so much soft snow.

Regardless, these new skis arced through everything like a hot knife through butter... only much more fun!
post #41 of 48
How many days are on the old pair Steve? Also, how often do you normally tune your skis? I know all of this has been discussed, but it seems odd that your old skis would be that bad... I followed the thread originally, and the only thing that came to mind was tune... you might just need a good hand tune.
Later
GREG
post #42 of 48
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The old skis are at Atomic; they took them back because the camber was gone.

I tune my skis every time I ski them. They get new wax and a fresh buff with diamond stones (1000, at least). The last three times I skied them I had them tunes by the best tuners in the places I could get them (most recently, Crystal in Boulder), since I was convinced my own hand tune must have been the problem. They were consistently poor performing and getting worse.
post #43 of 48

better camber testing?

If we had a fairly sturdy & long glass plate we could look at weighted camber from underneath by misting the top down and looking at the surface tension edges.

Hmmm.
post #44 of 48
Steve, we have to get you on some sandwich construction skis...
post #45 of 48
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Probably, Greg, probably. I haven't been able to get on any, but they are probably next. The issue, though, is to find a pair of skis that are like that, but that really perform very well all over the mountain. Remember that most days are guide days for me, and I'll be skiing typically groomed blues, bumps, and ungroomed terrain in a mix virtually every day (depending on the level of the group). None of my groups have been all day ungroomed nor all day groomed. It's always a mix.
post #46 of 48
Hot Rod...
post #47 of 48
Hmmm, a super sidecut sandwich construction ski... the Stockli Rotor.

It has a bit less sidecut than your Metrons, but it's close enough that it would be an interesting comparison for you.

Stockli Rotor - 169cm 14.0m radius 124-76-109

P.S. Looking at the dimensions, I just realized that the Rotor is almost identical to the new Atomic Metron 11 B5 (170cm 14m 124-76-108). Now that would be a very interesting comparison.
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by ssh
Well, the good news for me is that it wasn't my technique. After skiing with Pierre yesterday--on bong's skis; bong, you are amazingly generous! Thank you!--it became clear that it was, indeed, the skis. The boots rode bong's Fischer WC SCs just fine, and I arced through stuff that looked hardpack to me (but I couldn't tell from the skiing, that's for sure!).
Ssh,
If you could, would you please compare/contrast Fischer WC SCs and ATomic B5s (the new ones, not the sprung ones). I realize they are beasts of a slightly different stripe.
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