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Percentage ski to snowboard?

post #1 of 16
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Does anyone have any figures on ski/ snowboard numbers in the USA?

Olympic coverage recently suggested that there were more snowboarders than skiiers. Not sure I can believe this random comment.

At Beaver Creek its 84% ski 16% snowboard.

What do you think?
post #2 of 16
The National Ski Areas Association says that in the U.S. for 2004, there were 6.3 million snowboarders and 5.9 million skiers (over age of 7, participated more than once, in the calendar year). Snowboarders say they average 8.8 days on snow, skiers say 10 days on snow. As for ages, 77.3% of snowboarders are age 24 or younger, 60.6% of skiers are age 25 or older. Also, 10.5% of snowboarders also ski (interestingly, they don't provide the percentage of skiers who also snowboard).

Thatsagirl
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by smith_kcs
Does anyone have any figures on ski/ snowboard numbers in the USA?

Olympic coverage recently suggested that there were more snowboarders than skiiers. Not sure I can believe this random comment.

At Beaver Creek its 84% ski 16% snowboard.

What do you think?
Beaver Creek's #'s are not a true representation of the overall breakdown of skiers/snowboarders. The NSAA #'s quoted by Thatsagirl are more accurate.

FWIW, the breakdown at Mad River Glen is 100% ski 0% snowboard...:

DISCLOSURE: I reside in the apparently forgotten category of "Skiers that also snowboard"...
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Thatsagirl
(interestingly, they don't provide the percentage of skiers who also snowboard).

Thatsagirl
11.2% based on the other numbers they provided (10.5% of the number of snowboarders identifies the number of dual snowsporters, divide by the number of skiers).
post #5 of 16
I heard somewhere (story not corroborated) that 2005 was the 1st year since the 90's that ski sales outnumbered snowboard sales. Pendulum swinging back?
post #6 of 16
Skiing Snowbird for 2 days last week I didn't see any more than 1 snowboarder per 10 skiers.
post #7 of 16
I think we have an interesting thing that's kind of been touched on but might be worth mentioning in a completed thought.

Snowboarders are generally younger = less money = you don't see them as often at high priced ski destinations as much as you do their local hill. Doesn't mean they aren't as good or what not... but you just see less snowboarders at Vail/ridge/Bird/Boat etc (the ones that even allow them) because they have that built in price wall.
post #8 of 16
Snowboarders are WAY down at Tahoe, at least at Squaw Valley. Over the last 2 years, their numbers have dropped to maybe 30%. They are practically absent on advanced slopes.
Speaking with them, they are often talking about the limitations of boarding (getting around, traverses, moguls, cutup snow, etc) and how awesome the skis are getting.
When I was at Snowbird in December, the boaders couldn't access the fresh powder at Mineral Basin because there was a slight uphill traverse. Not a good thing.
I'd still like to try it someday...
post #9 of 16
True at Squaw Valley. As others illuted, access become an issure for the boarders at Squaw. Besides, too much moguls are not good for boarders. On the Silverado chair, we had a boarder skiing with us, he did not like the run out section that has a big uphill hike, in addition to the icy moguls developed due to high traffic.
post #10 of 16
there was a boarder trying to traverse across the Cirque at Snowbird last week, it was so pathetic to see him paddling along, i just whooshed by him in a blink. i have nothing against boarders, they don't bother me, for the most part they stay where they belong.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by SnowbirdDevotee
there was a boarder trying to traverse across the Cirque at Snowbird last week, it was so pathetic to see him paddling along, i just whooshed by him in a blink. i have nothing against boarders, they don't bother me, for the most part they stay where they belong.
We hike up to Baldy to float in the untracked pow, where we belong:






post #12 of 16
I haven't seen a single snowboarder at Taos in the last 30 years. A few hit the mountain on the full moon but I haven't seen them.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by Thatsagirl
The National Ski Areas Association says that in the U.S. for 2004, there were 6.3 million snowboarders and 5.9 million skiers (over age of 7, participated more than once, in the calendar year). Snowboarders say they average 8.8 days on snow, skiers say 10 days on snow. As for ages, 77.3% of snowboarders are age 24 or younger, 60.6% of skiers are age 25 or older. Also, 10.5% of snowboarders also ski (interestingly, they don't provide the percentage of skiers who also snowboard).

Thatsagirl
Good info - thanks for posting!
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Dave86
Good info - thanks for posting!
You're welcome. You can find lots of information at nsaa.org. Another good source is thesnowtrade.org (Snowsports Industries America), which is the trade org for retailers, manufacturers and industry press/media (they also put on the annual trade show that you might see some posters here mention).

Thatsagirl
post #15 of 16
I was up in Mammoth for Prez weekend and decided to do an impromptu count during my wait in one of the lines at the bottom (storming, so they didn't have the upper mt. open).

Final count: 397,167 skiers, 389,984 snowboarders.

Well, that's about what it seemed like.
post #16 of 16
I'd be willing to bet California inflates the boarder total. I've skied much of the rest of the US for 40 yrs and my anecdotal estimate would have been 30% boarders - 70% skiers.
I've tried snowboarding. I admire good snowboarders. I get a kick out of watching great park tricks. If you are a snowboarding god there are probably no limits, but for average to very good recreational snowriders I just don't feel it's the right tool for accessing all types of mtn terrain the way skis can.
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