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Volkl 724 Motion or 724 AX3

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Can anyone tell me what the difference between these two skis are. I was in a shop on the weekend asking if they carried the AX3, and was told that they decided to bring in the 724 Motion instead. The reason given was that the 724 Motion had more base and edge material, otherwise they are the same ski. I can't find any information on the 724 Motion (it's not listed on the Volkl website), and it seems hard to believe that a company would release two separate skis with the only difference being the amount of base and edge material.

Thanks.

Michael
post #2 of 22
Sounds like you got an ignorant sales person! :

The AX3 is available in Motion (the Marker integrated binding system for Volkls) and flat (without Motion). There are also other members of the 724 family (the Pro, AX4, and AX2). These should all be easy to find on the Volkl web site.
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 
This is what I'm trying to figure out. The obvious answer is that it's just the Motion version of the AX3, but no where on the ski is term AX3 (unlike the all of the other 724 series which I've seen, both in person and in pictures) and there is no ski on the Volkl website that resembles the one that they have.

Michael
post #4 of 22
Try the International English section at www.voelkl.com The Motion and the AX3 are the same except for the
rails on the Motion.

[ January 12, 2004, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: John J ]
post #5 of 22
I stand corrected! I guess I was the ignorant one! [img]redface.gif[/img]

The difference appears to me to be the binding on the Motion, which is a length-adjustable Marker (what I would call a "demo binding").
post #6 of 22
ssh, you are not wrong. Motion is simply the ski with the
rail/binding. AX3 is (as you said) flat; your choice of any
type or brand of binding.
post #7 of 22
Thanks, John. Actually, it looks like internationally there is a 724 Motion, a 724 AX3 Motion, and a 724 AX3 flat. The only difference that I can see between the AX3 Motion and the Motion is that the latter has the adjustable Markers that I've seen on the demo Motion skis and the AX3 Motion doesn't.
post #8 of 22
I think there is just the Motion and the AX3 (flat).
They are pushing the Motion system, so they don't
show the AX3 flat, as they do the AX4 (G4).
Maybe the paint job is different on the two,
I haven't paid attention to them in the shop.
Their photo crew must go wild, when you scroll
over the AX4, notice the sidecut dimensions!
post #9 of 22
Hmmm... On my screen I can clearly see the Motion rails on the AX3 (and it says "Motion" in the technology section), but what do I know about the international Volkl product? I'm just a web jock...
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone. I had tried the international site at home but my lousy home computer couldn't handle it, and then I forgot to try it at work.

Michael
post #11 of 22
My AX3's are flat with the Marker Piston binding. You should read the reviews in the gear review forum. There is lots of info in the gear review forum. More people should learn to look there when they have questions. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

The AX3 is a common ski I happen to like the piston binding better then the motion system. I have only demoed the motion system a couple of times so may be I haven't given it a true test. If you get this ski with the piston binding I don't think you will have made a bad choice.

The ski is the same, there is no difference in the amount of edge material.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
Max Capacity, believe me, I've read everything I can on this site about these skis, including your posts which I've found quite useful. However this was a case of a ski whose name I could find no mention of on this site or on the US Volkl site. This ski was not branded as an AX3 in any way. I know the difference between an AX3 and an AX3 Motion. I am merely trying to ascertain whether it is the same ski as the AX3 so that I could be confident in transfering the information that I am reading about the AX3 to these particular skis.

Michael
post #13 of 22
I have a friend who has a pair of Volkl F5's. They were from Europe, he got them off of a web site. I have never seen these on a Volkl site. They appear to be the pre-runner to the Volkl 5 Star. Except they are black and green. I haven't measured, but they appear to have the same side cut. I have skied them and like them.

May be what you were showen, is a ski not released in North America.
post #14 of 22
I agree with Max Capacity (again). When I was looking for my current setup (ax3 flat with marker 1200 piston in a 177) i came accross some weird Volkl models that no one had seen before. They turned out to be from Europe. You may want to consult with "Inspector Gadget" he seems to know everything about Volkl and was very helpful to me in my search earlier in the season. I don't remember what the difference was, but it was enough to steer me clear of the European models and stick with the local shop and the AX3

Hope this helps and good luck [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #15 of 22
If you are in that shop, check the dimensions
of those skis. 108-70-96 should make it
the AX3 or the prepackaged with rail/binding
724 Motion. The numbers are printed near the tail.
post #16 of 22
IG's the Man, sorry I couldn't resist.

Yes, he has helped me out too.
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
The dimensions of the ski are identical to the AX3, so that's what peaked my curiousity at the time. I've e-mailed Marker Canada (the Volkl distributor in Canada) to see what insight they can provide. Bottom line is that I've got to find some time to demo them, regardless of what they're called.

Thanks again.

Michael
post #18 of 22
Ahh hell! Go to eBay and find a G3 cheap. That way you don't have to pay ridiculous prices for nearly the same ski! Now, if you want a 724 Pro, you're probably hosed. It's right up there with the K2 XP in terms of consumer demand and what people are willing to pay to be seen on a pair.
post #19 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by Max Capacity:
I have a friend who has a pair of Volkl F5's. They were from Europe, he got them off of a web site. I have never seen these on a Volkl site. They appear to be the pre-runner to the Volkl 5 Star. Except they are black and green. I haven't measured, but they appear to have the same side cut. I have skied them and like them.

May be what you were showen, is a ski not released in North America.
Max, for some infor on Voelkl F4 (Fun carver skis) see this and other related threads:
http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultim...=004330#000012
post #20 of 22
Thanks for the link. That goes back to before I found this wonderful site.
post #21 of 22
Well, here's what I found out. Apparently, the 724 Motion is a bit stiffer (and less forgiving) than the 724 AX3, but both have got the same shape and general construction. Interestingly enough, the 724 Motions are sold in many stores in Canada, and usually sit against the wall beside the 724 AX3s and the 724 PROs. So, I guess that for commercial reasons, Volkl USA decided not to market that ski. Its a shame because it seems to get more positive reviews in the european press than the AX3.
post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info Phil. I got the chance to demo the 724 Motions last weekend, and asked again (to someone different) whether there was a difference, and they maintain that the amount of base and edge material is the only difference. It's interesting to hear that they are stiffer as well.

Michael
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