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there is definitely a Euro look and a North American look. then of course there are 20 years old and 50 years old skiers wearing the stuff. I think North America is setting a standard in appearance, simple, functional, durable, a casual comfortable look. a friend was sponsored by Spyder for a while, waiting anxiously for them not to embarrass her with their fancy overdone stuff. They toned it down and it came out pretty nice in solid bright green, though all they accomplished was to look like Marmot or Mountain Hardware but in their own color of the season. Also, out here, huge corporate name tags labeling the wearer are a little out. The euros seemed to hang onto the tight fitting, dressy tapered look quite a while beyond things going more casual here. Maybe an extension of the racing culture still being so predominant in the Alpine nations, whereas North America has ski image generated in quite a few disciplines.


There was just an article out (I think NYT) that was talking about how "stylish ski wear" was hitting the streets for women this year.  Apparently, the "Aspen look" as they called it, was big in high-end fashion this past winter, with Moncler working with Neiman Marcus to sell their high-end puffy jackets in stores, and alot of boutiques carrying items like rabbit-fur vests.  It seems that ski fashion is diverging: I tend to see a lot of baggy, casual clothes locally, and a lot of (trim) women in expensive, fitted ski clothes at higher-end resorts.  It probably depends on where you are skiing and what type of skiers frequent that resort. I think you would find a different clientele at Northstar vs. Squaw, for example.  Around here, the park kids have really baggy clothes, the mountaineers and backcountry people have lighter and less roomy alpine gear, and the rest of us just buy what works and what we can afford.  

 

With regards to a jacket, I have a Patagonia Rubicon (now updated and called the Rubicon Rider).  I love it, although I have no idea if it is the "best". It is well made, durable, warm, waterproof, and the best jacket I have owned. 

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post #182 of 301

I understand that there is an optimum amount of air around the torso; that's the air you have to heat. A friend told me that about an oversize jacket I used to wear cause I liked a bigger collar and bigger pockets. too much air is too hard to heat and will wick away too quickly, without adding a lot of bulky liner. form, style, and function. I found the ideal jacket for me in a Marmot, 8 pockets keep me organized and supplied, great features, low key image.

 

yes, I've seen the puffy jackets in flashy shiny fabric, the little baffle shapes now. looks really cool on women, makes them appear adventurous, ready to climb at any moment just by setting down the shopping bagswink.gif.

post #183 of 301

Anyone checked out Mountain Force?  Its a couple of designers from Kjus doing some stealth stretch gear with amazing functionality... very impressive stuff...

post #184 of 301

The best ski jacket has a hood that can be stowed in the collar for a stormy day. 

For a cold weather day, I love my one piece xc ski suit under everything.

post #185 of 301
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Anyone checked out Mountain Force?  Its a couple of designers from Kjus doing some stealth stretch gear with amazing functionality... very impressive stuff...


How can you impress the rest of your friends if ONLY overpaid on a piece of technical outerwear by about 300 bucks.

post #186 of 301
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Originally Posted by AndrewJ View Post

Anyone checked out Mountain Force?  Its a couple of designers from Kjus doing some stealth stretch gear with amazing functionality... very impressive stuff...


How can you impress the rest of your friends if ONLY overpaid on a piece of technical outerwear by about 300 bucks.



Andrew- I don't have any experience with Mountain Force, but would be interested in hearing anyone who has.

 

ecimmortal- I thought this was a discussion on what was the best ski jacket, not the cheapest?

 

CJ

post #187 of 301
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ecimmortal- I thought this was a discussion on what was the best ski jacket, not the cheapest?

 

CJ


This depends on your definition of "best".   Some people consider the best to mean most expensive. I think the best is a jacket that has the features I want for a reasonable price. 

post #188 of 301

I bought a Couloir jacket. Extremely warm jacket, but the hardware is crap (zippers, ski pass pouch, velcro, etc). Was about 600 bux, but got a promo jacket on sale for $140. Well worth it if you can put up with the crap part. :-( I am now endorsed by Columbia Sportswear. Just received my new (free) jacket with their omni heat lining. EXTREMELY warm jacket, damn near sweat to death shoveling my sidewalk today

post #189 of 301
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ecimmortal- I thought this was a discussion on what was the best ski jacket, not the cheapest?

 

CJ


This depends on your definition of "best".   Some people consider the best to mean most expensive. I think the best is a jacket that has the features I want for a reasonable price. 


Exactly! I would say I put in a lot of time on Mt. Hood. I look for a simple gimmick free jacket that is waterproof/brethable enough to keep me dry in variable/wet PNW conditions. With room for me to layer underneath, and not limit my range of motion. Maybe if I was more concerned with impressing my friends while I carved groomers on bluebird days at Deer Valley I might want something different.

post #190 of 301

EXACTLY guys, I agree!!! If Mom wants to score me an Arc' for $200 OFF retail, that's cool by me. Of course, my Oakley from OakleyVault and my Columbia Shell from SAC cost me $255 combined. Spent about $100 for two pair of Oakley pants as well.

I'd say i'm hooked-up for the next decade, or 'til the knees wear out (completely), whatever comes first.

post #191 of 301

Well, this thread has officially turned Epically Stupid - generally the minute the word "define" is uttered here. 

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Well, this thread has officially turned Epically Stupid ...

Yeah, and the ski socks thread has reached 40+ posts...
 

post #193 of 301
Many good parka brands have been mentioned already, but I will also mention Eider which I am wearing this season and has so far been impressive.
post #194 of 301

I dont really care about impressing anyone, but I like finding high levels of design and functionality on sale... so stumbling across some Mountain Force stuff at 50% off in Park City was in my comfort zone... this line is seriously stretchy, and an interesting combination of tech and tradition... the "down under" jacket has down fill in panels across the body but allows ventilation in back and side panels and a fairly trim fit for a down jacket... I really love this line...

 

Its worth checking out if you find it, either on sale or at full price... understated, functional design like this has a very long shelf life... I still get lots of use out of my Kjus Formula jacket I got 5 years ago in a summer sale... so much that I consider paying full price for certain pieces... but just as I get close to doing that I find a 50% off deal... and how can I say no to that?

 

Andrew

post #195 of 301
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"backtracking" - now that is amusing, point was the deployment of a touch of hyperbole to point out an excellent sample of ski apparel, clearly that which is best depends on the user and is necessarily subjective and that is that...

 

here are two of the newer Vist Jackets: Anyway, since I have no axe to grind, this is just an FYI, and "tacky", i beg to differ...and to borrow from CJO's observations on the warmth front and durability and weight etc, these are as good and I would suggest better than most out there. If you have skied in the Arlberg, the ski patrols, the ski school instructors are all outfitted in Vist gear, and that is where I learnt about Vist, and its rather amazing quality.

 

Price was mentioned as a caveat, and hence caveat emptor.

Nettuno Ski Jacket

Adonis Ski Jacket


 WHERE CAN I BUY THIS BRAND?

AS I AM IN CHINA ,COULD YOU TELL ME SOME  shopping website ?

thanks!

post #196 of 301

go to the Vist.It website, they list stores worldwide which carry Vist gear. In the USA, Panda sports, and Jan's sports carry it, and online. Reliable Racing has some Vist gear too. 

post #197 of 301

I recently got an Arc'teryx Stingray for 50% off wholesale ($150 incl shipping!!) and I can safely say that it's the best jacket I've ever owned, I love it.  Ordering an Atom to use as my mid layer. 

 

Now, before I had a Columbia 3 in 1 so I've never really had a jacket that's in the same range but I was blown away.  I knew it would be a wicked jacket but I was so surprised at how lightweight it was compared to my crappy Columbia shell.  Don't feel the wind at all, and it's really cool when it's snowing and you look down to see it beading on the jacket. 

post #198 of 301

if we can tap that deal, please post links or send PM please.  Also, the Atom is a fantastic piece but it's a true insulating layer, not a mid. I love mine!  I wear a base, a true mid, like a pata R1 and the atom for near below days.

post #199 of 301

Sounds like a pro-form Finndog

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I recently got an Arc'teryx Stingray for 50% off wholesale ($150 incl shipping!!) and I can safely say that it's the best jacket I've ever owned, I love it.  

 

post #200 of 301

yeah, I was just hoping for a nice deal on a sabre sv!  :) 

post #201 of 301

I've tried jackets from North face, Marmot, Karbon, and Descente.  I think Karbon offers great bang for the buck, very durable and warm.  I'm really liking the Descente which I'm currently running, it doesn't *seem* as durable as Karbon, but I haven't had any durability issues yet and it certainly looks nice and breathes extremely well.  I've used it comfortably with only a midweight base layer underneath, in temperatures ranging from 0 to 35 degrees without getting cold or over heating.  The stretch fabric they use is also very nice.  I'd love a Phenix or Goldwin jacket but I haven't been able to find one at a price I'm willing to pay.

post #202 of 301

Just to throw Westcomb Vapor into the mix- I am VERY impressed with the new E-Vent 800's fabric that they are using, finally a worthy competitor to GoreTex ProShell, feels durable, and being EVent it is very breathable as well.  Previous EVent fabrics were pretty light weight.  Actually looks like this season is a breakout season for E-Vent, I finally see people switching from GTX. I previously stated several times that eVent is not suitable for skiing because it is cold.  The 800 series EVent may finally change that.  I will report back once I have more data. 

 

P.S. Westcomb is made as well as Arcteryx.  Same people more or less. 

 

post #203 of 301

Have a few ski days in my Mountain Force "Down Under" jacket and Mountain Force pants and these pieces are by far the most impressive ski gear I've ever owned... it makes Kjus look like they arent really trying, with ultra feather-light construction and complete freedom of movement... and amazing wind and cold protection for something so light... you really dont feel like you have anything on, except you are totally protected from wind and cold... I think jeans and a sweatshirt weight more... its sort of unnerving at first...

 

I was afraid a down fill jacket would suffer in the ventilation dept, but this jacket exits your body heat immediately as soon as you finish the run while keeping you warm on the lift... I cant really say enough about this brand... its worth a look if you want high design and function with an understated look and a logo that no one even notices...

 

Would I pay full price for this stuff?  I might... and thats the first high end ski gear I've ever said that about...

post #204 of 301

I've been quite happy with my Under Armor jacket this season. I like the cuffs inside the sleeves, removable hood, powder waistband, underarm vents, the magnetic non-snaps, the ipod pocket, and the mesh liner.  On the downside, the pockets and one inside pouch are a little smallish, but other than that it's served me well.

 

I also teach in a Phenix shell.  The Phenix seems a little more rugged and durable, but is nowhere near as warm as my UA, particularly around the cuffs and zipper.

post #205 of 301

This is only my second year skiing and learning a lot from this website...  I've learned through my short time skiing a good jacket is important so I'm currently looking for a bargain.  Shopping at the local ski store I managed to find a great sale on Patagonia (50% off).  The person recommended the "layering" method so I purchased the Patagonia Shelter Stone Jacket (shell) and a down sweater jacket along with the #4 baselayer.  At first, I was interested in the Ice Field Jacket or Insulated Outskirts Jacket.  Which is the warmest way to go "layering" vs insulated jacket.  For those that are familiar with Patagonia which is the best option or other recommendations?

 

How important is having a helmet compatible hood? 

 

Last, earlier someone noted wearing a jacket with too much room is not good for keeping warm - is it best to have a tighter fitting jacket or better to have a little extra room?

 

 

post #206 of 301
Just to chime in here. I have a soft-shell by 66 degrees north. The jacket itself is very good and has held up to some very brutal use over the years. However both pocket zippers are blown and blew pretty quickly. Why oh why can't manufacturers use good zippers???
post #207 of 301
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Just to chime in here. I have a soft-shell by 66 degrees north. ... both pocket zippers are blown and blew pretty quickly. Why oh why can't manufacturers use good zippers???


That would probably take 66 degrees north out of contention in the "best ski jacket" thread. Good manufacturers use good zippers. My experience, anyway.

post #208 of 301

A jacket I had from a new company blew zippers. they had the ZK (?) brand on the zipper, but I speculate that many China manufacturers use counterfeit zippers, knowingly or not, and not the over-run type counterfeit, but total fakes. New companies seem unable to handle quality control off-shore, and get taken advantage of. I have Marmot and Arcteryx that have never had a zipper fail or blow in a total of about 20 years use, though Marmot is a China product, it can manage the components used in their products, IMO.

post #209 of 301

I agree that maybe for North Face they've been going downhill from the perspective of someone who only uses their jacket for skiing or for serious back country hardcore light weight action.. But for me, on a budget, I wear the same jacket in the back country as I do to school everyday so I need pockets, and other features like that, and because of that I think North Face is great and still by far my favorite brand.

post #210 of 301
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That would probably take 66 degrees north out of contention in the "best ski jacket" thread. Good manufacturers use good zippers. My experience, anyway.


Oh ya totally. I meant that more as an indictment actually. What made it more frustrating was that I had to email their customer service department and do the whole google translate thing from English to Icelandic and vice versa. I finally gave up after several attempts to get past cut and paste answers about how it wasnt their problem that their zippers blew within 12 months of getting the jacket off of SAC.

But as long as we are talking cust serv i have to call out Ibex as a great experience. Haven't bought a jacket but their gloves rock and so does their customer service policy.
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