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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I have a trip planned to Park City from 3/21-3/27 and one of my primary goals is to demo a variety of skis in an effort to pick a solid pair for next season and beyond. Only problem is I know next to nothing about skis, especially since modern skis seem to have advanced leaps and bounds.

Currently I ski on Heads (175 cm) (cannot remember model, but they are old, i.e. 96 or so, they are a shaped ski though) and Volkl P30s (185 cm), which I am not fond of, as they only seem to excel on hard snow (once it turns to ice its all over, but if the conditions are right I can get some killer turns).

Stats:
AGE: 24 years old
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 175lbs
Fitness: Gym 4 days a week. Heavy weight training (legs included) and some cardio
Experience: 21 years
Ability: Difficult for me to illustrate. I will ski anything short of cliffs. Agressive/high speeds on almost every run. Level 9 I guess judging by http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php/?t=28112
Location: I live in NYC.
Frequency: This year I will go to Vermont 3 times, a local NY mountian once and 4 days out in Utah, so I guess 12 FULL days. I have ambitions to really ski as much as possible going forward, so next year maybe 20 days.

I'd like to go to Park City with an idea of what to try out. I would characterize my wants in a ski as: the ability to do all mountain, with a strong emphasis on of agressive/fast "race like" turns (in medium and long turns) on hard pack/groomed snow. Ice grip is also a plus, seeing as I ski in the Northeast. I always bring my Head skis with me anytime I ski, so I usually switch to those for bumps, off piste stuff.

Some skis which sound good just by reading are Fischer RX8, Volkl Allstar, Elan S12. My Uncle who has similar body type to me, just got on last years Dynastar SkiCross G10's and he looks like a new skier, so I might like to try those.

Thanks for the help!

Regards,

Kevin
post #2 of 22
If you truly only ski fast Fischer WC line would suit you better than the RX line.
post #3 of 22
Stöckli stormrider XLs
post #4 of 22
yeah go with stoeckli. Im picking up the GS and SL pair next year from a rep *thanks guys*...they are suuuch a sick ski ..very very stable at high speeds, and edge change happens in fractions of a second if you know what your doing.
-JMK
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies guys. The Fischer ski looks nice, I will definitly look to test that one.

I've never heard of Stockli. Any info about em?
post #6 of 22
Head SuperShapes @ 170.
post #7 of 22
You have a good list. Add the Rossignol Zenith Z9 and Volkl AC4.
post #8 of 22
something about 120ish tip and a 75ish waist.
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
List as of now:
Fischer RC4 series (so many to choose from,the Race SC model looks nice, there is a super deal in the link below, and I'm tempted to buy, but I keep telling myself no, must demo first)
http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=fischerraces c2006&Category_Code=fischerrace2006&Product_Count= 4
Volkl AC4 (Will this ski be able to hold a rock solid edge on packed powder)
Rossignol Zenith Z9 (looks very interesting too)
Head Supershape (I'd like to know more about this ski)

All of these skis seem to fit what I'm looking for to some extent, ability to carve hard slalom and GS turns, while being able to be used outside of groomed/packed powder.....agree?

Since ski construction has changed so much, what do you guys think about sizing? I have no trouble with my 185 Volkl P30s, but I know that these skis should generally be shorter.

Thanks for the help and keep the suggestions comin!
post #10 of 22
The AC4 will certainly hold on packed powder. I can't say for their hold on the bulletproof, however.
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 
I should re-emphasize that ice hold is also important, I do ski in the north east mostly.
post #12 of 22
If you get up to Hunter stop by The Pro. Keith sells Fischer and usually has some good deals in March. I'm sure you could also demo from him .
I have a pair of world cup rc's 180cm. They only get used in gates.
Great for high speed groomers,hard pack.I prefer sking bumps ,so I don't use my fischers there ,much to stiff. They are great for eveything else.
Although they are a tad heavy .
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loboskis
If you get up to Hunter stop by The Pro. Keith sells Fischer and usually has some good deals in March. I'm sure you could also demo from him .
I have a pair of world cup rc's 180cm. They only get used in gates.
Great for high speed groomers,hard pack.I prefer sking bumps ,so I don't use my fischers there ,much to stiff. They are great for eveything else.
Although they are a tad heavy .
I actually am going to hunter a week from now. Where is "The Pro" located, in relation to hunter?

I would love to demo some skis before I go to Utah and possibly pick up a pair.
post #14 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin M
List as of now:
Fischer RC4 series
Volkl AC4 (Will this ski be able to hold a rock solid edge on packed powder)
Rossignol Zenith Z9 (looks very interesting too)
Head Supershape (I'd like to know more about this ski)
Which one of these is not like the other? The Fischer, Rossi and Head all seem to me to be in what I would call the race/expert carving category. The Volkl AC4 is more of an all mountain/off piste type ski. I think the Allstar from your original post would be a better fit with the others in your list, as would the Dynastar SkiCross (now Contact?) series skis. At your weight, 170 +/- 5cm would probably be a good place to start, depending on the ski.
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tumbler
Which one of these is not like the other? The Fischer, Rossi and Head all seem to me to be in what I would call the race/expert carving category. The Volkl AC4 is more of an all mountain/off piste type ski. I think the Allstar from your original post would be a better fit with the others in your list, as would the Dynastar SkiCross (now Contact?) series skis. At your weight, 170 +/- 5cm would probably be a good place to start, depending on the ski.
Thanks for your input here.

I guess I am looking towards something in the "Race/expert carving" area, as I do 80% of my skiing on groomed slopes and enjoy it the most. I am looking for a ski that will have the flexibility to ski in other areas, with the understanding that its not gonna perform spectacularly.

I would definitly look to try out the SkiCross's as, I said before, it really transformed my uncles skiing (his prior pair were Dynastar 200cm from like 1990) and he has a similar body type.

Whats the story with Atomics?
post #16 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin M
Thanks for your input here.

Whats the story with Atomics?
SX11 - A little too stiff for off-piste, not the best in bumps, but if you're a good skier you should have no problems. I found it fantastic on groomed, just not as quick a turner as some other specialized shorter-radius skis, but as a one ski quiver for groomed runs it would be a winner.

SL11 - I didn't get a chance to try it, but if you want to make short turns on hard snow, I hear that's what it's made for.

Regarding Fischers I have the 2004-2005 RC4 WC SC, and it's great on small hills and hard conditions, and will handle unreasonable speeds fairly well. The Race SC is a little softer, more like the RX8. The RX8 can't quite deliver the force of the WC SC, but you don't have to go fast for it to feel good.
post #17 of 22
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post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
Last bump before I leave for Utah

Any more suggestions?
post #19 of 22
Try Volkl Racetiger Race Stock SL or GS or both 06/07 model (but do not waist your time on consumer Racing model). Try to demo them with Marker WC Piston plate. I just bought the SL in 155 cm (I'm level 7+, 160 lb, 6'1") and it holds on blue ice just perfect, 100%. In fact, I've had a hard time making it to slip/skid on ice (just for curiosity). Keep in mind that 155 and 165 have different sidecut than 150 and 160 models.
post #20 of 22

Fischer World Cup RC pricing

Kevin-
Let us know what you decided to demo. For what its' worth, I noticed that Ski_Depot has reduced their prices on their Fischer race skis and the WOrld Cup RC is only $399. They also have the Fischer FR-17 and Tryolia FF14 bindings listed. Although I am not affiliated with Ski-Depot in any way, I did purchase skis from them recently when my local shop was sold out, and I found them to be very helpful and very service oriented. It is always important to me to find a place that values their customers. Good luck and let us know what you decided.
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by quickk9
Kevin-
Let us know what you decided to demo. For what its' worth, I noticed that Ski_Depot has reduced their prices on their Fischer race skis and the WOrld Cup RC is only $399. They also have the Fischer FR-17 and Tryolia FF14 bindings listed. Although I am not affiliated with Ski-Depot in any way, I did purchase skis from them recently when my local shop was sold out, and I found them to be very helpful and very service oriented. It is always important to me to find a place that values their customers. Good luck and let us know what you decided.
Please see the thread I started, no one replied though http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=39616

I was only able to try out two pairs of skis. No one had the Fischer Worldcups. I really wanted to try them, as on paper, they looked to me like the best ski.

I doubt I'll be getting them now, as I like the Volkl Allstars a TON!!!! Although the Fischer Worldcup RCs are cheaper now (and tempting) I think I have to go with what I know works.
post #22 of 22
I've heard a lot a very positive comments about the Fisher AMC line (76 or 79). But I've no direct experience.
(And yes, Dynastar skicrosses are great !)
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