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post #1 of 107
Thread Starter 
Global warming has struck again.

It's raining in downtown Jackson as I type this. Temp is 38 degrees and the rain's been coming down for a couple of hours.

The only saving grace is that it's snowing hard about a thousand feet up. So we got that goin' for us.

Does anybody else get depressed when it rains at a ski area during the winter?
post #2 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Does anybody else get depressed when it rains at a ski area during the winter?
You're really not talking to us over here are you?
post #3 of 107

i'm always reminded.

"Snow at higher elevations, Spald. Snow at higher elevations."
post #4 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Global warming has struck again.

It's raining in downtown Jackson as I type this. Temp is 38 degrees and the rain's been coming down for a couple of hours.

The only saving grace is that it's snowing hard about a thousand feet up. So we got that goin' for us.

Does anybody else get depressed when it rains at a ski area during the winter?
you described Missoula with that, Bob. and yes, it is MUCH worse for depression. can't go ride my bikes, can't ski. what's a fool to do?
post #5 of 107
When you live in the PNW you get used to it and sometimes ski in it. No crowds, the snow is not all that bad, but it's tough keeping the goggles clear.

I hate it in the summer when I am backpacking unless it's just a thunder shower.
post #6 of 107

no rain, but also no snow

I have the worst of both worlds, when i'm home in cali it rains at squaw, and when i am a college in vermont it is too cold to snow!
post #7 of 107
I don't mind skiing in it, but riding chairs kind of sucks. The Tram would be ok or just go to GT and shralp the pow.
post #8 of 107
http://www.intellicast.com/WeatherIm...alysis/usa.gif

Don't worry Bob, a cold front is headed your way...

L
post #9 of 107
Looking at the NWS cams from the Wasatch, looks like all locations are getting rain right now.

Guess it'll firm up the snowpack for March and April....
post #10 of 107
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Originally Posted by songfta
Looking at the NWS cams from the Wasatch, looks like all locations are getting rain right now.

Guess it'll firm up the snowpack for March and April....
No, not firm it up. Rain on snow is different in the West than on the East. We don't go though the extreme freeze/thaw cycles, and it won't turn it into boilerplate. Rain merely adds water content to an already soft snowpack. Once the rain turns to back to snow (always does), you get a better bonded surface between layers and it actually makes for better late season skiing, as you have a more uniform pack that tends to stick better (less avalanche releases).
post #11 of 107
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Originally Posted by Powdr
Rain on snow is different in the West than on the East. We don't go though the extreme freeze/thaw cycles, and it won't turn it into boilerplate. Rain merely adds water content to an already soft snowpack. Once the rain turns to back to snow (always does), you get a better bonded surface between layers and it actually makes for better late season skiing, as you have a more uniform pack that tends to stick better (less avalanche releases).
The preceding was a message from the Park City Chamber of Commerce.
post #12 of 107
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Originally Posted by Powdr
No, not firm it up. Rain on snow is different in the West than on the East. We don't go though the extreme freeze/thaw cycles, and it won't turn it into boilerplate. Rain merely adds water content to an already soft snowpack.
No need to explain - I'm a Utah native. Spent the first 20 years of my life out there before moving east.

But I'm not talking "boilerplate." It will consolidate the snow layers, and while it'll make it soft, it'll also cause it to settle into a better snowpack for the long haul, provided a refreeze comes along.

Then again, I've been looking at the forecast for the Wasatch Front (Parck City and SLC), and it's not looking like good freezing conditions for the next few days.
post #13 of 107
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Originally Posted by uncle crud
you described Missoula with that, Bob. and yes, it is MUCH worse for depression. can't go ride my bikes, can't ski. what's a fool to do?
Looks like you're doing it!:
post #14 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Global warming has struck again.

It's raining in downtown Jackson as I type this. Temp is 38 degrees and the rain's been coming down for a couple of hours.

The only saving grace is that it's snowing hard about a thousand feet up. So we got that goin' for us.

Does anybody else get depressed when it rains at a ski area during the winter?
i have a hard time feeling bad for you bob . from what i've seen; JH has had a hell of a winter.

here in the north east, we had one of the best decembers i can remember. we all had visions of a 4 to 5 month snow-filled ski season. that vision ended the day after christmas; rain on monday; rain that wednesday; rain that friday. then skiing on ice for the weekend. 2 weeks later, another 2" of rain. and then the depression sets in. our entire month of january was wasted.

skiing wasn't even good until last weekend. i'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping we get as much march snow as we did last year.

trust me; i'd rather be where you are!!!
post #15 of 107
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Originally Posted by B R
i have a hard time feeling bad for you bob . from what i've seen; JH has had a hell of a winter.
Totally.

Any rain now is Karma for starting this thread
post #16 of 107
I was at Alta once in January when it rained for three days, then the temperature went down to zero. You think you have seen ice?
post #17 of 107
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by B R
i have a hard time feeling bad for you bob . from what i've seen; JH has had a hell of a winter.

trust me; i'd rather be where you are!!!
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Originally Posted by mattchuck2
Totally.

Any rain now is Karma for starting this thread
Jeez.

You guys are a tough audience.

How about if I apologize for being in a downer mood this morning? I'm feeling much better now. Instead of rain, we've got lots of that OTHER four letter word, the one that ends with "ow" coming down.

And since mattchuck brought up that other thread, I just want to boast once again that as of the last day of February, 2006, the season-to-date snowfall at Jackson Hole is 413" and Alta's is 403". I may never see that again in my lifetime.

Oh, and here's a glimpse of what's happening on Teton Pass right now:

post #18 of 107
As someone who's making his first trip to Jackson Hole this Saturday (!)--I find that latest picture to be a real pick me up!

Liam
post #19 of 107
Global warming doesn't exist. It really depresses me to see the global warming awareness comercials on RSN with Peekaboo Street preaching about svaing the envirornment.
post #20 of 107
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Originally Posted by sir jman
Global warming doesn't exist.
We will capture Osama bin Laden.

Saddam had WMDs.

The Iraqi people will greet us as liberators.

Brownie did a heckuva job.

The earth was created in 7 days.

Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are real.
post #21 of 107
As bad as us Eastern people feel imagine how the resort owners feel. Imagine spending 25 thousand dollars blowing snow one day only to see it rain and wipe out all that work. Plattekill was barely able to open until recently. Hunter Mountain has been blowing like crazy lately. They put up a luxury condo and now must appease all those who bought. Good thing for us. They have some of the best conditions around and its almost all machine made. Jackson Hole 417"....Hunter 71".
post #22 of 107

Rain in Tahoe

On Monday, it rained so hard in Tahoe (45 degrees) that there were flood warnings everywhere. Elevation didn't make much of a difference. It was raining top to bottom at Squaw, Alpine, etc. We actually went to Mt. Rose because of the higher elevation, where it was rainning and snowing at 8200'. The summit was just like the base, but it was windy and colder.

East vs West, Rain is Rain, and ice is ice. Doesn't matter where you are.
post #23 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
How about if I apologize for being in a downer mood this morning?
Only if you can send some of that 400+ inches of snow our way!!! that's an awfully large number. :

our great mountain here in the northeast is jay peak. they are boasting 297" on their website. what they neglect to mention is how much snow they lost to that 4 letter word that begins with "R" in january. i was up there at the end of january when they had 225" of snowfall so far and the skiing was as bad as it's ever been at jay. it was good for the northeast at the time, but bad when you figure it was the end of january and they had a measily 12" - 30" base (i don't know where that 30" base was, i looked for it all day).
post #24 of 107
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Originally Posted by sir jman
Global warming doesn't exist. It really depresses me to see the global warming awareness comercials on RSN with Peekaboo Street preaching about svaing the envirornment.
For one second, let me put my "uncle crud" hat on....

[Rant on]

Jman, that is an utterly naive statement. All scientific data shows that the earth has warmed over the past 100 years. Almost every major climatologist agrees that the world is warming and warming more rapidly than any time we have observed (based on atmospheric observations and ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica.) The ONLY thing up for debate, is that whether or not the change is anthropomorphic or not.

Here are a few links
http://www.koshland-science-museum.o...storical03.gif

http://www.sustainablescale.org/imag...0AND%20CO2.JPG

Now based on these observations I, as a scientist cannot come to any other conclusion other than there is a direction correlation between human activities and atmospheric CO2 concentration and therefore global atmospheric temperatures.

NPR's Science Friday did a great story on this last week.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5231582

The best part was when Eugene Linden pointed out that Naomi Oreskes 700 papers not 1 took issue with if humans were the cause of global warming. ( http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../306/5702/1686 ) The problem is the few scientists that don't believe that global warming in human influenced have wielded dis-proportional political influence in Washington. If you remove those scientists that have links to the fossil fuel industry, there are almost no scientists that disagree with the assertion that climate change is human caused.

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For example, while discussing a major U.S. Environmental Protection Agency report on the risks of climate change, then-EPA administrator Christine Whitman argued, "As [the report] went through review, there was less consensus on the science and conclusions on climate change" (1). Some corporations whose revenues might be adversely affected by controls on carbon dioxide emissions have also alleged major uncertainties in the science (2). Such statements suggest that there might be substantive disagreement in the scientific community about the reality of anthropogenic climate change. This is not the case.
So you can believe Michael Creighton, a science fiction writer, you can believe the lobbyists with ties to the fossil fuel industry or you can believe the hundreds of climatologists who have devoted their lives to this topic. I know who I trust....

[/Rant off]
post #25 of 107
today's shyte for Missoula:

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_foreca...lon=-113.98956

note the high of 50, but the LIE of "snow and rain mixed". at 50 deg. right. they think that if they mention snow possibilities, people who are worried about global warming will ignore the 50deg part. what crap.

the fuggin' NOAA is ignoring global warming, and is as politicized as the Patriot Act.
post #26 of 107
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Originally Posted by sir jman
Global warming doesn't exist. It really depresses me to see the global warming awareness comercials on RSN with Peekaboo Street preaching about svaing the envirornment.
only a cretin could post this. you embarrass yourself.
post #27 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Instead of rain, we've got lots of that OTHER four letter word, the one that ends with "ow" coming down.
You have BLOW falling?

Wow - drugs from heaven!



And to all the other east coast folk: I hear 'ya with regard to the awful weather we've had this winter. While I'll accept snow from hoses, I'd prefer the stuff from the skies - or at least some consistent cold to allow for high-quality snowmaking and snowpack preservation. The weather has already knocked out some smaller resorts for the season, if not for good (e.g. Powder Ridge, CT).

And global warming is occurring - it was occurring naturally all along, as part of the earth's cyclical weather patterns. The difference now is that human impact has caused a rapid increase in the warming, which has upset the normal environmental equilibrium that keeps warming in check.

In other words: we're at (or possibly past) the tipping point.
post #28 of 107
we narrowly escaped rain yesterday and now it's snowing ... that's the nice thing about the altitude in summit county.
post #29 of 107
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by songfta
You have BLOW falling?

Wow - drugs from heaven!



...
Good one.

But are you sure you're not confusing Jackson Hole with ASPEN?

*Our* blow falls in inches, not grams.
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