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does volkl make 160 cm race stock skis?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
does volkl make race stock ( flat skis ) skis for example racetiger for slalom 160 cm long ? or just 155 and 165 cm long.
thanks
post #2 of 21
Yes.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
but are they fis aproved?

and do the race stock skis (racetiger) has reinforcements or are they flat ?

thanks
post #4 of 21
All SL skis are FIS approved in terms of sidecut radius. FIS does mandate minimum lengths...155 for women and 165 for men, I believe though somebody could probably confirm that for us.
post #5 of 21
Yes and No

160 would be FIS/USSA approved if you are a woman ... no if you are a guy.

155cm for women .... 165cm for men ... and both must have a 60mm minimum width.
post #6 of 21
I have a question along the same lines: why the Volkl Racestock SL sidecut is different in 155/165 and 150/160? It seems like 150/160 should have larger radius ...
post #7 of 21
113-64-97 is the sidecut of my P50 SLC. I guess they are using the old sidecut for 150 and 160. The radius is not written on my ski but i think it is 12 (or possibly 13).

Jamie
post #8 of 21
155 radius=11
165 radius=12.7
I guess the radius of my ski is 13m+


Jamie
post #9 of 21
Clarifying slightly (maybe):

There's no FIS (or USSA) restriction on radius of slalom skis. As noted, there's a minimum width, though neither retail nor ordinary race stock skis seem to come that close to it ... as for what sort of custom-made stuff racers are actually using on the WC, who knows? Apparently Chemmy Alcott gets custom-made Fischer skis unlike anything available to the world as a whole.

Real full-on race stock slalom skis almost always come only in 155 and 165, because those are the minimum lengths for women and men, and racers who want skis longer than the minimum are rare.
post #10 of 21

VOLKL sidecut differences 150/155/160/165cm

The sidecut listed is the measurement at tip-waist-tail of each ski.

Radius is a function of sidecut AND length.


A shorter ski (160cm) with SAME RADIUS will have smaller measurements at tip & tails. In other words, take a 165cm chop off 2.5cm from tip and tail, and measure tip and tail width and they will be smaller.

Or conversely just measure a 165 cm 2.5cm in (towards waist) from the widest part of the tip & tail and you will roughly get the 160cm measurements.

The 160 and 165 have about (not exactly) the same radius---This is what Volkl was shooting for.

Same with 150 & 155cm.

Usually manufacturers (if they are accurate- NOT ATOMIC) will have same tip/waist/tail widths but with DIFFERENT lengths: Therefore shorter skis with same widths give shorter radius.


As others have said 160 and 150 skis are not FIS legal for men & women respectively.

S.
post #11 of 21
The Racetiger Race Stock in 160 and 150 sizes are FIS legal for J3 and under. They're designed for juniors transitioning to mandated adult length skis.
post #12 of 21
There is no FIS category for J-3. Currently, this season FIS requirement (licensed) would be birth year 1990 .... a J-2.

Childrens categories exist with minimums of 130 .... 175 for SG these equate to the USSA ...

My point is anything is "legal" above 130 or longer than 175 .... till you hit birth year "90".
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Yuki
My point is anything is "legal" above 130 or longer than 175 .... till you hit birth year "90".
That's correct. And that's exactly why the 150 and 160 SL is legal for J3 (or FIS Children II) and under.
post #14 of 21
But you can't get an FIS license here till you are 16 .... "somewhere between Canada and Mexico" ..... that's USSA no? Too many on e-bay will list the old stuff as "FIS legal" as a selling point .... what was legal in 2004 (my mens 156' sl's) .... ain't legal now for instance.

I have never even heard "FIS" referenced regarding any of the sub J-2 categories .... it would be just one more point of confusion.
post #15 of 21
If your are age 14 or under, you can race on the 140 or 150 Volkl Race Stock whether it's in USSA or any other country that follows FIS equipment rules. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here?

The Whistler Cup and Topolino are international FIS races for 11-14 year olds. AFAIK, those might be the only ones.
post #16 of 21
Point is simple. Since we don't use that "terminology", here why confuse the issues with the other standards.

In 99.9% of the cases when we speak of "FIS" compliant it is for the emerging J-2's. I have never even heard of the "FIS Childrens" numbers referenced here in US racing except to separate out the races for the 1990+ group that qualify for those select events.

Additionally, the common USSA terminology does not equate to the FIS terminology. An "FIS Child II" is actually a USSA J-3, and "FIS Child I" is a USSA J-4. For the .00006% of all of the J Racers that will make it to the level of International competition, those few and select parents are well aware of the criteria. For the rest of us it would just add to additional confusion. In an ideal world, the USSA and FIS should adopt common terms. Also note that we have a J-5 category for 10 year olds that is not even acknowledged by the FIS childrens criteria.

And how many organizations are following the rules anyway. My understanding is that many of the mid-pack are not on legal gear even at the J-2 and J-1 level. A challenge would only be thrown if they were a threat in the top 15 seed. The bad news with this "policy" is that a racer may be on illegal gear and reduce their points to gain start advantage and then (hopefull for them), switch to legal gear when they get a favored start number.
post #17 of 21
Fair enough. Since editing is no longer allowed, I will restate my original point in accordance with your terminology.

Quote:
Volkl makes a non-FIS approved 150 and 160 Race Stock SL ski designed for juniors transitioning to mandated adult length skis.
As far as rule conformance goes, I'm only familiar with USCSA, which follows USSA/FIS guidelines, and all I can say is that equipment protests are extremely rare.
post #18 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
But you can't get an FIS license here till you are 16 .... "somewhere between Canada and Mexico" ..... that's USSA no? Too many on e-bay will list the old stuff as "FIS legal" as a selling point .... what was legal in 2004 (my mens 156' sl's) .... ain't legal now for instance.

I have never even heard "FIS" referenced regarding any of the sub J-2 categories .... it would be just one more point of confusion.
yuki 15 not 16. 1st year J2's are 15, you can get a FIS license as a 1st year J2
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by troutman
All SL skis are FIS approved in terms of sidecut radius. FIS does mandate minimum lengths...155 for women and 165 for men, I believe though somebody could probably confirm that for us.
True to a point. The waist dimension must be no narrower then 60mm with no tolerance.
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
yuki 15 not 16. 1st year J2's are 15, you can get a FIS license as a 1st year J2
I think there is a limit to the number of races you can be in that first year, though. A team mate of my daughter's had to be selective about which races she was in due to a "start" limit.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by sibhusky
I think there is a limit to the number of races you can be in that first year, though. A team mate of my daughter's had to be selective about which races she was in due to a "start" limit.
I believe that is correct, but you can still get a FIS license as a 1st year j2 15 year old!
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