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2004 Salomon CrossMax 10s - Where's the camber?

post #1 of 7
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Hi folks!

I've just picked my new CrossMax 10s up at the shop and taken them home to compare side-by-side with my CrossMax 10s from last season. In the re-design, the thing I notice most is the distinct lack of camber in the new model. The new boards sit basically flat on the floor.

Has anyone else noticed this in the CrossMax 10, or any of the newer skis? Or is it "by design" since the new model appears to be significantly stiffer and / or more damped that last year's version?

Let it snow.
post #2 of 7
Newer skis don't really require a lot of camber to turn. The energy in the turn is generated by actually decambering skis, so the camber is less significant than older model skis. I noticed it last year with my Elan SLX. After about 3 hours of slalom turns the skis would actually be reverse cambered. After a few hours of sitting inside they would return to their normal shape. As the skis decambered when i was skiing on them, i didnt notice much difference in performance, unless i was put on rough terrain - ie - not well groomed snow. When they were put into these types of conditions when they were decambered the skis were difficult at best to ski on. I dont really think that the lack of camber is a huge issue. Many new skis are lacking a lot of camber. My SLX's have about 2cm when held together and my SLX RACE T's have about 2.5cm when held together base to base, but my GS skis Salomon LAB GS and Elan GSX RACE T have only about 1cm or so. An older pair of Elan SLX WC's i have, only have about 6mm of camber present, but the skis still ski wonderfully.

As far as the Crossmax goes, they could have done away with the camber in the ski when the redesigned it. If you notice, it is a totally different ski this year and is VERY stiff by comparison to the old Crossmax 10. the addition of the spaceframe looks as if it has made the ski much stiffer longitudinally... i would be interested to see if it made a huge increase on the torsional stiffness of the ski. the new pilot design also lends itself to decambering the ski because it sits directly on the top of the ski. Despite being a freeflex system it still lends itself to stiffening the center of the ski unlike the older version of the pilot system that was a push to try to effect the flex of the ski as little as possible... rather the new version is a system that manipulates the ski flex, which is the ideal situation. Salomon finally hit something with the newer Pilot system, and i know for a fact that you will see it start to pop up on their retail race line for next season. I am very intrigued to ski the new line of Pilot skis, and i should be able to within the next few weeks, snow permitting.


post #3 of 7
My 03/04 Atomic R10s and 11s sit pretty much flat on the floor.

I would also like to demo the new Crossmax if it is stiffer this year.

Tell us how it does on the snow.

[ December 01, 2003, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Scalce ]
post #4 of 7
I've demoed the 04 Crossmax 10's last season, and they are indeed a lot stiffer and rides a lot more like the Atomic SX11 which I also demoed the same day. But it's wasn't nearly as much fun as the SX11 or my Atomic R11's. It just didn't seem to have the power or energy that the Atomic's did. It's a better ride than last year's Crossmax10, but I still just didn't find it a very exciting ski.

[ December 01, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: wizard ]
post #5 of 7
I'm curious to see if the newer Crossmax 10 skis like a race ski that has the new Hangl Race plate on it. If this is so, the ski at first will feel like a normal Salomon ski - smooth and dead. What i found with the Hangl plate is that it is very deceiving when youre on the snow... It feels dead and like there is no ski under you, but when you really step on it... hold on. I hope that Salomon went for this kind of feel for the newer pilot skis, especially those designed with a bias toward groomed snow. If it skis like their LAB GS skis with a hangl on them, this will be a very hot ski, but only for someone who is willing to put work into it. If not, then its probably going to be a boring ski to ski on, because it will have the same old Salomon feel... but it might be a good ski if youre looking for something that isnt going to tire you out in one day.
post #6 of 7
Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
Newer skis don't really require a lot of camber to turn...
Greg - It's not only this, but if the mfgrs built a lot of camber into modern deeply sidecut skis, when running flat, the tips and tails would be pressed into the snow with lots of force, and this would make them more fidgity than they already are. When flat, the skis would respond to smallest random irregularities in the snow instead of sliding over them and averaging them out. I think the mfgrs were driven to remove camber by complaints about "stability" (even if a good skier will hardly ever run them flat).

Tom / PM
post #7 of 7
PM, very true, i had forgotten about that. I know we discussed it about a year ago here when i had my SLX troubles. I knew there was another good reason that i was forgetting.
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