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Solution for shin slap?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Friends, I just spent four wonderful days at Le Massif in Quebec, skiing atop the 500+cm the have gotten this year. Was my first chance to put my new Elan 666's and new/used Tecnica to the test. The combination was just outstanding. I skied better and steeper than I ever have. But at a price. After two days, I developed some nasty shin slap, and by the fourth, I had open wounds on my shins. Admittedly, I got boney ones, and I had the same problem with my old Tecnica Icons. Unfortunately, I did not pay enough attention to it during the first two days. I suspect that the best way to deal with this is to avoid in the first place. Any suggestions? I wear Hot Chilly's low volume socks. I have Booster Straps which keep the tongue quite snug against the shin. Is there some sort of slippery, non-irritating fabric or padding that might help, or is this an indication that I have the boots dialed in too stiff? Thanks.
post #2 of 16
Jesus, Open Wounds on your shins from your boots: I would say get a new pair of boots! That must mean you have quite a bit of movement in your boots. Which would lead me to they do not fit the way a ski boot should !
Talk to "Bonni" she had a problem like this earlier in the season and it was because her boots didnot fit correctly.
There are these tongue things that will take up some space. Check this link out to them: http://www.bootfitters.com/eliminator.htm Might just do the trick for you. Get some orthotics to if you don't want to get a better fitting boot.

I am sure some seasoned boot fitters will chime in here to help you
post #3 of 16
If you have the undies tucked into the top of the boots with your socks, you could have fabrics sliding on eachother, contributing to your problem. Are you using a ski-specific sock?
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Huck, there really is little discernable movement in the boots. I neglected to mention that they are Tecnica XT 17's, a race plug. They have a clamp like fit. I got them used, so the liners are, admittedly, a bit packed out, including the tongue. I am going to replace them, probably with the Dobe lace-up liner. I had seriously looked at the Zip, but recent posts from owners and an inability to get them shop fit have discouraged me from this option. But I also have the three strand Booster strap I placed under the shell and over the tongue to keep it quite snug. Given all this, I question whether the "fit" is the issue. Granted, these are stiff boots, but I had a similiar issue with my last pair of Alu Icons, whose flex pattern was inferior.
KB, as I mentioned in the post, I am using Hot Chillys Low Volume socks, which are actually quite slippery, compared to a natural fiber sock. And yes, I think I did tuck my long undies under them - to get a bit more padding. Bad idea? I plan to take a trip from Maine out to GMOL, hopefully next week, for inserts, etc. Perhaps I am just "thinned skinned," at least at the shins. Or maybe I am just a bit too aggressive in pressuring the tongues. Tx.
post #5 of 16
If the wounds are still there & you are going to ski then get some hydrogel sheet wound dressing... it will absorb sheer pressure as well as pressure and protect the sores.....

If you want to try to protect skin until boots fixed use that (best) or hydrocolloid dressing (duoderm etc) .... the hydrogel is the only one what really takes the sheer off though (that is what usually does the damage....)

Tape it on with a low friction tape... fixomull, mefix etc... or opsite, tegaderm etc....

It can stay on for about 5 days or so if the area is not infected etc...
post #6 of 16
If you find a solution to your problem, please post it as I have had the same problem, (including open wounds) to a greater or lesser extent in every pair of ski boots I have owned. Someone suggested applying some mole skin to the effected area but I haven't tried that yet.
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Dis, thanks for the med advise. I am off the slopes for at least a week (skiing will not feed the family), so I will give your remedies a go. Are they available at Rite-Aid or similar box? You mention "sheer pressure" as the culprit. What does that mean - excessive friction, or pressure, or both? Suggestions for "fix" for the boots, or should I just try to protect the shins instead. Tx.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Ltack, I tried Moleskin on the third day, isolating the area by surrounding it with foam. But by that time, the damage had been done. Perhaps if I had used it right off, it may have made a difference. I suspect that there is a sports med remedy for prevention rather than treatment. That is what you and I need. Believe me. I feel your pain.
post #9 of 16
Originally Posted by deliberate1
Dis, thanks for the med advise. I am off the slopes for at least a week (skiing will not feed the family), so I will give your remedies a go. Are they available at Rite-Aid or similar box? You mention "sheer pressure" as the culprit. What does that mean - excessive friction, or pressure, or both? Suggestions for "fix" for the boots, or should I just try to protect the shins instead. Tx.

OK - push you hand (or finger) straight into you forearm... that is pressure... Now while pushing down firmly push just a tad sideways... that is sheer pressure added... (ummm think new walking shoes and teh socks and shoe rub at your heel...they make a blister ... it is the sheer not just the push inwards that causes the trouble... sorry -- not engineer my understanding of sheer is not good enough to explain Physics man may do better )

Pressure on its own will cause a pressure sore... you need (from memory) about 10mm mercur pressure to remove circulation enough for this...
However normally you would move about enough to let the pressure on and off... patients that annot move easily DO NOT and they get pressure sores... heels butt etc... they just do not move and the constant pressure affects the skin (also affects collagen structure as well as circualtion)

But the sheer will mess you up big time much faster... that is what blisters are - pressure sores effectively...

Sorry I do not know your USA brands etc...
In Oz the hydrogel sheet is marketed as Aquaclear (was clearsite)... you can ID it easily.. it looks like what it is - sheets of clear jelly stuff... if you "poke" it with you finger at an angle (say 45degrees) you can see it wrinkle as it takes up sheer...

The liquid hydrogels are marketed as intrasite,solugel,solosite etc... same stuff just in a set gel sheet... (may help someone find it for you)....

we have a wound bunch in Oz that are world leaders.. first patient to ever survive with a particular bug in a wound... (they were trying to save his leg - which they did then found no-one else had ever lived)... they do this with people in a 3 day rowing marathon race... properly taped it will stay in place through a fair bit of abuse...
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Dis, found it. One brand is Aquasorb hydrogel dressing, for anyone else interested. Will give it a go until I get this issue permanantly resolved. Thanks.
post #11 of 16
Tape well away from contact points - from my experience... it stays on best....

If you use opsite/tegaderm you will have a waterproof thingy that you can shower with....

the dressing itself should be Ok for about 5 days if no infection

If I tape a heel blister I would tape mid-calf to mid arch... that gives you an idea (neither of those areas will be rubbed by footwear really so the tape stays on)

Good luck!
post #12 of 16
Instead of movement causing the problem, did you ever consider that it might be an allergic reation?

It happens on my shins when I wear a certain pair of leather boots. I get eczema so bad that the skin ends up looking like hamburger.

This season, for whatever reason, my ski boots have been causing it on my left shin only. (I think my boots caught something from living in the bag next to VKs... )

A Dr. perscribed a steroid cream and it goes away.

Its excacerbated by the dry winter indoor heat....
post #13 of 16
Do not put anything in your boot besides your one pair of ski socks. That is a big no no. Most likely will allow undue movement as well by tucking your insulated underwear in your socks.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
LindaA, you got me there. Never even occurred to me that this could be a dermatologic thing. I tend to doubt it, because not only is there lesion, but bruising around the area of the sore.
Dis, thanks for the bandage instructions. Hopefully, I won't need them.
post #15 of 16
I get bruising too, but that is from really driving forward, and it only happens at the beginning of the year, before my shins "toughen up". but my broken skin is from the excema. does it itch and burn too?
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
LindaA, no burning or itching. Just rubbed off skin. Your point about early season shin bang is well take. Last week was effectively the beginning of the season for me. If the solution to the problem is just to ski more, I am all for that. Tx.
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