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Your thoughts on Bode, now that the games are over

Poll Results: Has Bode's performance disappointed you?

 
  • 5% (10)
    Now that I have seen Bode at the games, my opinion of him has improved.
  • 50% (89)
    Now that I have seen Bode at the games, my opinion of him has declined
  • 44% (79)
    Now that I have seen Bode at the games, my opinion of him remains the same.
178 Total Votes  
post #1 of 159
Thread Starter 
So now that Bode's games are over, what are your general feelings for Bode?

Has his performance made you like him more? Less? Or do you feel the same about him as before?

Personally I was a big Bode supporter and have been disappointed by the stories of drinking and generally not maintaining a professional appearance at the games.
post #2 of 159
I was ambivalent until reading his closing comments about how he thought he rocked at the games.
post #3 of 159
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Originally Posted by Rio
I was ambivalent until reading his closing comments about how he thought he rocked at the games.
My feelings exactly.
post #4 of 159
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Originally Posted by Rio
I was ambivalent until reading his closing comments about how he thought he rocked at the games.
ditto
post #5 of 159
His "I rocked" comment tipped my opinion firmly into the negative.
post #6 of 159
I got the feeling a few months back, that he'd become a part of the "olympic machine" and his passion was mostly gone. Seeing his performance(or lack thereof) verified my feelings. No passion=No performance.
post #7 of 159
How would you compare peaking to win an olympic games alpine ski event to winning a specific event in other sports? I think it's sort of like expecting to win a major golf tourney, maybe even a specific major such as the US open, maybe even winning the last round of a specific major. Tiger and Jack N. are about the only two that had much luck at that. In other words, there are a great many variables, human and environmental, making it long odds for someone to win a specific olympic alpine event. I think that is why there are so few champs that defend their titles in successive olympics. To absolutely expect Bode to win a gold in Torino, esp since his world cup season has not been as strong as last year was an unrealistically tall order. His personal all-or-nothing style also does not lend itself to consistent excellence. The serendipity involved in winning gold at an olympics works both ways, and it was nice to see the chips fall unexpectedly towards Ligaty and Mancusco.
post #8 of 159
If you think of it, the US has always expected more than they've achieved at the Winter games in terms of skiing. The big surprise would be if we ever actually performed as the media has led us to believe we would. I hope that I won't be suckered in the next time. ...But I never really believed that Bode would achieve a single medal. Daron, now, I expected more of.
post #9 of 159
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Originally Posted by trekchick
I got the feeling a few months back, that he'd become a part of the "olympic machine" and his passion was mostly gone. Seeing his performance(or lack thereof) verified my feelings. No passion=No performance.
I agree with trekchick. At the upper levels of any sport, winning vs. losing is mostly in the mind. On any given night, any NFL team can beat another largely depending on the mental mindset. Example. The week Wellington Mara died, the Giants beat the Redskins by 30+ and were clearly more motivated. Three weeks later, the Giants didn't have the emotions, the Redskins had the revenge factor and they beat the Giants by 30+.

Bode no longer has the challenge of climbing the hill to the top and he is put off by the demands on his time. It's much harder to remain at the top than it is to get there (which makes the Bulls and other team's strings of championships even more amazing). I would expect him to have an awesome next year, because the "I'll show them" motivation will be back. I actually don't think he is even in shape now.
post #10 of 159
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Originally Posted by Jamesj
The serendipity involved in winning gold at an olympics works both ways, and it was nice to see the chips fall unexpectedly towards Ligaty and Mancusco.
you make a very valid point otherwise in your post...

Just to clarify.. Ligetty has been kicking tail the whole season in the SL and was my guy to watch .. My opinion on Bode doesnt change one bit.. He did what he said he would do and I maintain that he is still the best guy, right now, in the speed events.. He did make a mistake in the SuperG and remember he finished just only one SL race this season anyway..

If he is as out of shape and sucks thay bad, somebody will either ski him off the team or there would be some action by the principals.. Lets see how things shake down..
post #11 of 159
My thoughts on Bode: Now that the Olympics are over, I hope he ceases to be a topic of controversy for ski racing mavens, and the folks ignorant of ski racing who just like to deride those in the spotlight. I hope the press will stop printing every stupid thing he says, he's a skier, report about that.

Oh and by the way, I didn't see him in the Olympics. The poll is flawed, it presupposes one must watch him to have an opinion (as we know, all one needs to have an opinion is a computer).
post #12 of 159
The more and more I hear Bode open his stupid uneducated mouth, the more and more I thnk he is a complete idiot. Give the attention to someone else who deserves it and strives to "win". I am sick of hearing about Bode. He did bring the USA home the World Cup title last year but that does not mean the guy is not a complete waste of skin. He would be a bum if it was not for the US Ski Team !
post #13 of 159
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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
He would be a bum if it was not for the US Ski Team !
Does one need to be on the US ski team to race in the WC?
post #14 of 159
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
Does one need to be on the US ski team to race in the WC?
I do not believe so. But it will be quite expensive without the US backing him.
Bode's buss will drain him. Then hopefully he will dissappear
post #15 of 159
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Originally Posted by Jamesj
How would you compare peaking to win an olympic games alpine ski event to winning a specific event in other sports? I think it's sort of like expecting to win a major golf tourney, maybe even a specific major such as the US open, maybe even winning the last round of a specific major. Tiger and Jack N. are about the only two that had much luck at that. In other words, there are a great many variables, human and environmental, making it long odds for someone to win a specific olympic alpine event. I think that is why there are so few champs that defend their titles in successive olympics. To absolutely expect Bode to win a gold in Torino, esp since his world cup season has not been as strong as last year was an unrealistically tall order. His personal all-or-nothing style also does not lend itself to consistent excellence. The serendipity involved in winning gold at an olympics works both ways, and it was nice to see the chips fall unexpectedly towards Ligaty and Mancusco.
Well said, James.

Only a very small % of folks will ever be as successful as Bode in their chosen careers. Bode is much less of an alsoran than the people who are flaming him.
post #16 of 159
Him not winning medals, or his extra press coverage has'nt changed my opinion of him. I recall him saying before the olympics that he was going to do his best, and had no particular medal goal. I can respect that.

But did he do his best? I took the following quotes from: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/olympi...rview_TR1.html

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"My quality of life is the priority. I wanted to have fun here, to enjoy the Olympic experience, not be holed up in a closet and not ever leave your room," he said. "People said, 'Why can't you stay in for the two weeks, three weeks? You've got the rest of your life to experience the games the way everybody else does.' But I like the whole package. I always have."

He compared his Olympic experience to fellow American Daron Rahlves, who was a favorite in the downhill and a contender in the super-G but didn't come close to the podium.

"Look at what happened to Rahlves. He was holed up in his RV, he's probably the fittest guy out here and he made a point of talking about how important the Olympics were to him," Miller said. "And then look - a little bad luck and he's got nothing to show for the whole thing.

"Me, it's been an awesome two weeks," Miller said. "I got to party and socialize at an Olympic level."
I guess my question is, did he party like this last year when he got the cup? Or in SLC when he won the silvers? If this his normal thing? If so, then I dont think it is a big deal (remember Tomba).

Also, interesting to note Rahlves also has an RV.
post #17 of 159
Bode's no longer hungry. I don't blame him, but he just doesn't want it anymore.

He's had it all - fame, adulation, money. Now, he's tired of it.

He's winded after races, heavier and not in shape as he once was. He looked ragged and sloppy on the hill. The timing, strength and finesse isn't there. Tendinitis in his knee is also an issue

If just wants to kick back and let it go, that's his prerogative. Perhaps his priorities shifted after what happened to his brother (near fatal accident).

If so, his time on the US team should come to a close, as I expect it will by the end of the season.

Bode's head is somewhere else.
post #18 of 159
I vote -declined.

Not because Bode didn't win, but because he behaved like an ass. His interview last night really did it for me where he said he doesn't care if he wins. He sounds like he just wants to be a ski bum driving around Europe in his RV. Fine, but don't do it with the US Stki Teams money. If Barilla and Nike want to support thta, fine. Let's look at the others who were medal favorites and didn't win anything, how has your opinion of them changed? Rahlves - unchanged for me. He seemed pretty bummed that he didn't meet his own expectations. Kildow - very impressed that she kept going and as banged up as she was, I figure she did allright.
post #19 of 159
I think so much of our impression is determined by how it is packaged. Other Olympians have not fared well inspite of high expectations and the media's response seems quite random. I could see the media taking a completely different approach with the same facts. Look at that Hurricane arielist. The ESPN page has an article talking about his going for it, high risk attitude in positive terms. Americans love their rebels, sometimes. Just like when Bode won silver in SLC.

Bode has remained consistent in what drives him. He wants to make that perfect, high risk line more than he does a medal. And he has been honest about that throughout his career. DNF's have always been frequent and can't be surprising to anyone who has followed his career, even sketchingly. But repackaged, that sounds pretty similar to all the "she didn't win gold but she sure was filled with the Olympic spirit" comments NBC puts into its up close and personal profiles. Don't forget to add the tears. I don't know what this OLYmpic spirit thing is, but I'm sure many profile producers have it on autopilot. Right next to the how he's disappointed himself/us or the much preferred gold medal profile.



So, did my opinion change because Bob Costas points a finger a Bode instead of giving him the thumbs up? No, because in four years, the next time Bob Costas says something about skiing, I won't be surprised by the stories of Bode's skiing redemption/new maturity/happier now he's not skiing angle. Even though all the quotes are the same.
post #20 of 159
I kind of have a Bode approach to the topic....

Didn't care about Bode before the Olympics and don't care about him now.

I do care about the spot he took from others who would have gone for the skiing and not the pub crawl events.
post #21 of 159
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Originally Posted by Billd
So now that Bode's games are over, what are your general feelings for Bode?

Has his performance made you like him more? Less? Or do you feel the same about him as before?

Personally I was a big Bode supporter and have been disappointed by the stories of drinking and generally not maintaining a professional appearance at the games.
No change for me. Bode has always been a lose cannon, and somewhat inconsistent. He makes people uncomfortable! He speaks of things that people don't want to hear. He challenges our culture on it's standards of excellence. By the way, I agree with his basic premise that we are ruining our youth by giving them nowhere to go but down, by how we view, categorize, and measure success.

Personaly, I'd like to see Bob Costas retired! Nowadays the olimpics seem to be portrayed as more of a serial soap opera about who gets the gold rather than a true sporting event that celebrates participation and the journey.

Actually, if Bode get's under people such as Bob Costas's skin, then he is doing us all a favor, by being who he is, with all his faults, vices, and human failings. Before we point our fingers at Bode, we should all look inside to try to find what it is in ourselves that he makes so uncomfortable. Later, RicB.
post #22 of 159
His talent or approach to skiing hasn't changed. It appears his desire has changed and he no longer has the eye of the tiger which you need to win at that level.

I don't think he will be on the US Ski Team next season and if he continues on the WC he will be self sponsored. Marolt did not seem too happy with the effort and I think the Ski team and coaches are at the end of their patience. I think they are going to tell him they have tons of guys with the eye of the tiger hungry to get on the team and if he no longer has the motivation to give it 100% every day then it would be the professional and ethical thing to do to step down and let someone else have a shot.
post #23 of 159
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Originally Posted by RicB
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Nowadays the Olimpics seem to be portrayed as more of a serial soap opera about who gets the gold rather than a true sporting event that celebrates participation and the journey.
Bode Miller aside, the contrast between CBUT (Canada) and NBC's coverage is remarkable. CBUT, which can be viewed in many places in the PNW, had a lot less hype and a lot more actual coverage of events. NBC's approach was mostly focused on personalities, controversy and failure. "American Idol" proved that it can do a better job of that.

Certainly, some athletes make NBC's approach to coverage easier than others. However, I wonder if NBC's approach is what Americans truly desire or deserve.

Rather than seeking out the lowest possible denominator, maybe NBC and other news organizations in the USA and elsewhere that follow this approach should focus on raising that denominator. If people better understood the events themselves, maybe more would watch.

At the end of the day, team USA had a pretty typical performance, and the Olympics typically had plenty of upsets but you would never know it from NBC's coverage which leaves the impression of pretty abject failure for the USA. Well, enough on this subject. I'm going skiing.
post #24 of 159
Bode at the Olympics? He's there for the experience, not just the race. He's there there to ski his best, and he's there for the social and cultural experience.

Shani Davis, on the other hand is there to sacrifice the experience for the win.

Two different experiences, there.

If "someone else should have gone instead of Bode" ...well, all they had to do was be better than Bode, no?

Why isn't there a thread like this about Rahlves?
post #25 of 159
Thread Starter 
it was sad for me to see bode apparently wasting a once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity. he wasn't in shape, didn't really care, and generally squandered an opportunity that I would absolutely do anything to have.

if you had an opportunity to be in the olympics would you?

* train harder than you ever had to be in optimal condition?
* eat a good diet, not go out to parties, and treat your body like a temple?

it just makes me sad to see bode waste his opportunity. for the rest of his life i bleieve he will be wondering if he truly did waste that opportunity of his. he'll be second guessing himself and will be a truly unhappy person. IMHO of course.
post #26 of 159
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Originally Posted by Lostboy
Bode Miller aside, the contrast between CBUT (Canada) and NBC's coverage is remarkable. CBUT, which can be viewed in many places in the PNW, had a lot less hype and a lot more actual coverage of events. NBC's approach was mostly focused on personalities, controversy and failure. "American Idol" proved that it can do a better job of that...If people better understood the events themselves, maybe more would watch.
I'd agree with Lostboy here. The NBC coverage has been terrible. It's been nothing but announcers with no knowledge of the sport and presentations with no explanation of how the sport is played. Their direct coverage never focuses on the the actual action of the game or event at hand, the strategies used, and, the core experience of great sport, unforeseen developments. Instead, we hear cliches that exaggerate how well something is done, about how so-and-so "makes a great pass" on the ice, when it is nothing more than an ordinary pass. All the while, the massive Austrian drug scandal is ignored, as is Tomba's defense of Bode. And what about the Canadian hockey collapse? Or Rocca not doing anything wrong but still falling because he hit a hidden hole in the snow? None of these were disucssed.

If anything, we can learn from the failure of NBC pre-Olympic hype to translate into predictable results. Competition is about stepping into the unknown and making a lot of mistakes along the way. That's what humans do. I just have to add that Bob Costas is an idiot with nothing to say and I'd agree with Bode that we judge our young children too harshly too early on in life. That said, I'll try to be consistent and therefore retract what I said about Bob Costas.
post #27 of 159

Wasted talent

I think what bothers people is that here is someone with the natural raw talent and ability to win and he squanders it, by lack of attitude and discipline. I won't fault anyone on the U.S. team for finishing 5th or even 10th, if they tried and did their best. But did Bode Miller do his best? Did he show up to these Olympics in peak physical condition and focus on performing at his best to win?? Word has it that he slept late the day of the downhill and skipped the customary pre race course inspection. To me, that's inexcusable- at his level. This isn't amateur or league racing, this the World's biggest stage.

The second factor is the Team factor. While skiing is an individual sport, he is part of a team. When you try your hardest and do your best it brings the level of everyone else around you up. When you don't try, your teammates may feel resentment that you're getting special perks and not performing.

Right now I would put Lindsey Kildow on a pedestal for sheer guts and determination, and she is only 21(?)
post #28 of 159
I used to be a major Bode Miller fan! Right up until the point where he stopped caring about winning. Which he made clear many times to the media/public. That is unacceptable for an athlete of his caliber and in his position. HE is representing the USA he should be a fierce competitor with a huge hunger to win. Which he is not. I don't care about the partying one bit. Everyone does it. More so around his age. Get his ass out and get someone in who does have the hunger and care about winning; every time out!

Down with the dumb ass named Bode Miller
post #29 of 159
I just wish the USST would have had the character to yank him from the races mid stream and fill his slot in the technical events with guys that gave a damn about the race more than the party. It would have endorsed what Bode was saying about there being more important things than results.

Side note: I have all the respect in the world for Daron. He went there to win. He was in top condition and did everything he could to bring home a medal. Even "holed himself up in his motor home", as Bode put it, at night. Didn't work out for him, and for that I feel bad for him, but is was not for lack of effort. He went there with heart and soul dedicated to fighting the good fight, as most of the athletes did, representing themselves and there countries with honor, and setting a good model for kids to emulate.

Bode has no business trying to act as a voice for the welfare of kids in sport. The model of behavior he sets for them to emulate is pathetic.
post #30 of 159
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Originally Posted by Rick
I just wish the USST would have had the character to yank him from the races mid stream and fill his slot in the technical events with guys that gave a damn about the race more than the party. It would have endorsed what Bode was saying about there being more important things than results.

Side note: I have all the respect in the world for Daron. He went there to win. He was in top condition and did everything he could to bring home a medal. Even "holed himself up in his motor home", as Bode put it, at night. Didn't work out for him, and for that I feel bad for him, but is was not for lack of effort. He went there with heart and soul dedicated to fighting the good fight, as most of the athletes did, representing themselves and there countries with honor, and setting a good model for kids to emulate.

Bode has no business trying to act as a voice for the welfare of kids in sport. The model of behavior he sets for them to emulate is pathetic.
I really hate myself for reading and responding to these threads, but like a soap opera I'm drawn by the morbid fascination of it, as well as the need for conflict I guess. :

So Daron's tenth place finish in the DH was him giving it his all, but Bode's fifth place finish wasn't? And it was him being out of shape, lacking in competitve drive etc.? I had the impression that Ralves was much favored over Miller in the DH. Funny then that he's not held to the same standard.

Again I will qualify my perspective that I really don't care about who won or lost or said some stupid things. We all do these things in life. What I value is people taking responsibility for their own feelings instead of assigning it to others, or assuming responsibility for others' feelings. It seems Bode has some appreciation of this.
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