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Poll Results: Ears and Tiaras - Yea or Nay?

Poll expired: Mar 6, 2006 This is a multiple choice poll
  • 10% of voters (21)
    Resi Stiegler's ears are unprofessional.
  • 32% of voters (64)
    Resi Stiegler's ears are just fine with me.
  • 12% of voters (24)
    Julia Mancuso's tiara is unprofessional.
  • 30% of voters (61)
    Julia Mancuso's tiara is just fine with me.
  • 15% of voters (30)
    This poll is flawed.
200 Total Votes  
post #31 of 48
One of the difficult tasks for a coach in his or her efforts to develop dedicated athletes and mature adults is dealing with parents who think their little angels are perfect, can do no wrong, and should never be corrected or reprimanded. You're leaning that way Bob. Did you think the beads were just precious too?
post #32 of 48
This is getting silly. Every person that has posted on these threads would have choked under the pressure Julie had leading after the first run. The fact that she didn't says a lot more about her professionalism than anything else. So what if she wears tiger ears or beads as a way to deal with the stress.
post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by Rick
One of the difficult tasks for a coach in his or her efforts to develop dedicated athletes and mature adults is dealing with parents who think their little angels are perfect, can do no wrong, and should never be corrected or reprimanded. You're leaning that way Bob. Did you think the beads were just precious too?
I'm not Bob, but I play one on TV.

You're connection between parenting and Bob's take on the "ears" is non sequitar.
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by Seven
I'm not Bob, but I play one on TV.

You're connection between parenting and Bob's take on the "ears" is non sequitar.
Bob claims to be close friends with the family, so my presumption of the potential of his having been afflicted with a degree of parental blindness syndrome via association.
post #35 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Bob claims to be close friends with the family, so my presumption of the potential of his having been afflicted with a degree of parental blindness syndrome via association.
IMO, that's a stretch. But I respect your opinion.
post #36 of 48

rick

I have to essentially disagree with you on this one. As long as she "plays well in the sand box with others", I see little harm in some silly statement.

The scarf was an issue too. The ears and pearls ... well, I hope she had the DIN set on the pearls.

I too would worry about the ears and the pearls, getting tossed and causing a distraction that could lead to an injury, or shaving that micro-second of time. Were the pearls that long that they might have been a visual problem and could the tiara cause an injury in a fall (puncture)?

I guess you would have to know her as her coach, as a person and how well she acts with her other team members.
post #37 of 48
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Originally Posted by Rio
This is getting silly. Every person that has posted on these threads would have choked under the pressure Julie had leading after the first run. The fact that she didn't says a lot more about her professionalism than anything else. So what if she wears tiger ears or beads as a way to deal with the stress.
Rio, you are confusing professionalism with strong nerves and pure talent.

Having said that, I still think the tiara/necklace/ears stuff shows lack of maturity and professionalism. I also agree with doublediamond223 that Picaboo went too far. One thing is to gently suggest that it is unprofessional, another is to be so mean.
post #38 of 48
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Originally Posted by Yuki
I have to essentially disagree with you on this one. As long as she "plays well in the sand box with others", I see little harm in some silly statement.
Statement, Yuki?
post #39 of 48
When she's 30, I wonder what she'll think about her decision to wear the Tiara in the medal ceremonys?

A $40 tatoo cost me $1300 to have it removed ten years later. Not one of my better moves, but it was fixable.
post #40 of 48

rick

What I mean by "statement" is like Chad Fleischer. I may cringe when he took his helmet off, but the spots didn't hurt anyone.

If you are looking at the safety issues and loss of speed, those too are damned valid points and we are on the same page.

Decorum? The dignity of the games? That's been gone for so long and that's assuming it was real to begin with. I was a kid and a dreamer then so the reality was quite different, I'm sure.

Stein raced "For the glory of Norway" ... now it's all about the sales hype and market position of beer and SUV's ...

Still, how she interacts with her team, you don't think that is that important?
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by Yuki

Stein raced "For the glory of Norway" ... now it's all about the sales hype and market position of beer and SUV's ...
Not for everyone, not even for every country, and certainly not for every sport...but those are few and far between.

Consider yourself lucky if you got to witness the last great non-commercial Olympics (No, I'm not counting Moscow)...

post #42 of 48
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Originally Posted by TomB
Rio, you are confusing professionalism with strong nerves and pure talent.
I disagree. Professionalism is the ability to do your profession. Julie showed that in the GS race. Add in the fact that she gets along with the other members of the team is very supportive of them & you can't ask for anything more.
post #43 of 48
For Gawd sakes, these girls (yes GIRLS) are SKIERS..... not Neurosurgeons and not Prime Ministers and not Chief Justices.

The fate of the free world does not hang in the balance of their wardrobe choices. When history is written about us hundreds of years from now, these girls will not even make page # 35,157. I know this is heresy, but it's ONLY skiing.

Ya'll need to just get over yourselves.:
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by FRAU
For Gawd sakes, these girls (yes GIRLS) are SKIERS..... not Neurosurgeons and not Prime Ministers and not Chief Justices.

The fate of the free world does not hang in the balance of their wardrobe choices. When history is written about us hundreds of years from now, these girls will not even make page # 35,157. I know this is heresy, but it's ONLY skiing.

Ya'll need to just get over yourselves.:
Exactly. Some of these comments sound as if they come from bankers pretending to be skiers. Skiing is about fun and exhibition (remember those lime green stretch pants), not being conventional. No buttondown shirt attitudes need to apply.
post #45 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
What I mean by "statement" is like Chad Fleischer. I may cringe when he took his helmet off, but the spots didn't hurt anyone.

If you are looking at the safety issues and loss of speed, those too are damned valid points and we are on the same page.

Decorum? The dignity of the games? That's been gone for so long and that's assuming it was real to begin with. I was a kid and a dreamer then so the reality was quite different, I'm sure.

Stein raced "For the glory of Norway" ... now it's all about the sales hype and market position of beer and SUV's ...

Still, how she interacts with her team, you don't think that is that important?
OK, Yuki, now I understand the statement thing. I was wracking my memory for controversial past verbal utterance. Dah. Yep, I'm right on board with you. As long as the statement isn't detrimental to performance I have no problem with it. Everyone has different means of dealing with the stress of competition, and finding how to extract their best performance. As long as those methods don't actually impede performance, then fine.

In fact, I have a history of non conformity in my own past. When I was a kid on my little league team I wore Flourecent orange socks that came all the way up to my knees. Of course, being the competitor I was, it was done with the intent of visually distracting the batter (I was the pitcher), but in short order the rest of my team started doing the same thing, and we did grab a lot of attention for it. That's just one example, but I won't bore with more.

As to she, or anyone, interacts with teammates, well, it's nice when everyone is huggy kissy, but I don't think it has to be that way to have a productive atmosphere in respect to results. As idiotic as skaters Hendricks and Davis were for bringing their personal rivalry out to the public, I don't see that it's existence hurt their performance. If anything, it probably served as added motivation to kick butt. The Mahre brothers were known for being distant from their teammates. Look at the Austrian ski team, from what I understand they're cut throat with each other. The practice of sending course info back up to the start like we do is not done by them. Yet look at their results. This is an individual sport, on course it's all about the racer, no one can help him/her, so it's up to the racer to do what they have to do based on their own individual personality makeup to bring out the best. It looks nice to the public if that needed approach is conducive to smiles and love, but it's not always the reality.
post #46 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by FRAU
For Gawd sakes, these girls (yes GIRLS) are SKIERS..... not Neurosurgeons and not Prime Ministers and not Chief Justices.

The fate of the free world does not hang in the balance of their wardrobe choices. When history is written about us hundreds of years from now, these girls will not even make page # 35,157. I know this is heresy, but it's ONLY skiing.

Ya'll need to just get over yourselves.:
Frau, just because they're girls doesn't mean they shouldn't be competitors. Nothing wrong with considering the competitive implications of their actions. It's the Olympics, not a dress-up party.
post #47 of 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Frau, just because they're girls doesn't mean they shouldn't be competitors. Nothing wrong with considering the competitive implications of their actions. It's the Olympics, not a dress-up party.
Rick - I didn't mean girls as in "female", I meant girls as in young/immature/wanting to be goofy. They are still girls - not stiff old matrons.

I'm of the opinion that "whatever gets you through the day" is fine. And hell, if "I" made it to the Olympics, I'd make sure I had a hell of a good time. I think the world takes itself way too seriously.
post #48 of 48
Regarding Picabo's comments about Mancuso, Stiegler and Miller: she's also had her share of bad experiences with the U.S. Ski Team.

I grew up racing in the USSA's Intermountain Division, where Picabo raced for Sun Valley Ski Education Foundation (and for one year with Rowmark Ski Academy, where I raced). Picabo was a wild kid back then, not the fastest to listen to figures of authority. When she was picked up by the U.S. Ski Team, she wasn't the model racer: she slacked off, partied and goofed off with the best of 'em. Picabo's skiing went south, and the results never came. She had the talent, but not the discipline, and it eventually ended up with her getting kicked off the team.

She then got her act in gear: she dug in, retooled her attitude and worked on technique, got stronger mentally and physically, and started to get results in Nor-Ams. She made her way back onto the team, won a couple of World Cup DH titles and an Olympic gold along the way. But she had to eat crow to get there.

So she's telling Mancuso and Stiegler to avoid the kind of slacker attitude that cost her some of her prime racing years, which is entirely her prerogative to do. Indeed, she's worked hard with Kildow, who more closely resembles Picabo's teammate, Hillary Lindh (another Rowmark alum, though a few years older than Picabo) in her more deliberate and quiet approach to things on and off-hill.

But Picabo has had a lot of time to reflect on her career, so 20/20 hindsight is part of the equation. She sees a lot of herself in Mancuso and Stiegler and is just trying to get in a word, edgewise.

Now, as far as Mancuso's tiara is concerned: I'd go for consistency of headgear, if I were her. Maybe she can get some helmet decor that resembles a tiara - after all, Resi has tiger stripes on her lid, and Picabo had her eagle helmet in '02.
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