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post #31 of 42
I like the traverse on little toe edge of the up-hill ski exercise. Like 8200rpm, it led to a breakthrough in my own skiing several years ago, when I finally realised it was possible to initiate a turn without big, unbalancing movements. I've seen this called a "release from uphill ski", but I'm surprised that only a couple of my books talk about it explicitly.

In general, since I learned this particular way of releasing a turn I've experimented with others, including the style Kneale mentions, which I've seen called a Whitepass turn or a weighted release. This has been very useful to me, because different ways of releasing the turn seem to suit different situations. In particular, releasing from the up-hill ski seems to morph easily into an up-unweighting (a sort of almost-hop-turn) that can be useful in crud and other conditions where the skis don't turn easily. The weighted release seems to work better for big turns on hard snow.
post #32 of 42
Originally Posted by uncle crud
Beautiful returning comment, Unc.
post #33 of 42
Thread Starter 
Thanks, all for the good stuff.

UC, I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on "patience." Here's why:

I am thinking that you may be substantiating the advice given above by Kneale, BigE, etc: that I am rushing through transition by establishing an edge-set with the old outside ski against which I can push to get the rotation going. Obviously you guys haven't seen me ski, but let me know what you think of this analysis: The down-stem is not apparent in my larger radius turns, at least as seen by my LIII SSD and LIII trainer. This tells me that I may be setting that edge as a way to push off into what LeMaster calls an "initial steering angle" from which I then apply edge to carve at some suitable point partway through the turn. This is not apparent in larger radius turns because I am relying for turning power on the 17m sidecut of my skis. I think I am pretty patient in these bigger turns. Am I right or am I wrong in that analysis?

If correct, does the remedy toward greater patience consist of increasing enough rotary and skid at turn initiation (someone somewhere on this site once said "skiing through flatness") that helps keep the CM flowing more smoothly down the hill? Is this the patience that you are talking about, UC, BigE and Kneale?

I apologize for the obtuse and abstract MA navel comtemplation, but this stuff has already been helpful.

By the way, the uphill ski edge change a la DesLauriers works great for me at initiation for larger radius turns.

post #34 of 42
Many things can contribute to an abstem. Unkle Crud already said what I was going to say---patience in the turn transition! That seems to allieviate many problems.

post #35 of 42
Thread Starter 
Got it, Ron, thanks.

post #36 of 42

I think you are on the right track. You are right that the ab-stem appears since you are trying to hurry up and get to the other leg. You are rushing through the transition to get to the new outside ski. As it seems, you never seem to reach neutral. As Ron says, patience in the transition.

Ron LeMaster's "initial steering angle" refers to BOTH skis, not just the outside one. Using a huge initial steering angle is not what is being suggested to fix the ab-stem.

"Skiing through flatness refers" to allowing both skis to go flat before you begin to turn them. The body will move from one side of the skis to the other.

Allowing both skis to go flat means you're releasing the previous turn and establishing a neutral. This is exactly the opposite of what the ab-stem is doing -- an ab-stem is a reluctance to release the turn and ski through neutral.

Release, then have patience as the skis flatten, and only then begin to turn them while extending. Continue to turn them as the edges bite more and you flex past fall-line. Repeat.

Notice the similarity with Kneales bracquage? (ie. pivot slips?) The skis are steered throughout the entire turn just like in a pivot slip. Kneale then says once you do this well, add edge to round out the turn.

The patience is throughout the entire transition:

release -> neutral -> initiation.

It begins with release.

Hope that helps!
post #37 of 42
In my personal quest to refine my turns, I also developed for a while an abstem in short radii turns, much to my consternation. In my case, it was my failure to correctly apply my intent of finishing the turn by rushing the finish. The end result was overpowering my old downhill ski as I was flattening it as a prelude to tipping to LT. Lately I have been implementing the mantra "light on top, light on bottom" for my turns and have been experiencing good results in ridding the stem.
post #38 of 42
Thread Starter 
BigE and josseph, thanks, guys. I now think I know what I need to do based on your thoughtful reponses and those of Kneale, Ron, BK and others which all seem to converge on the diagnosis that my edge setting is my way to rush myself through transition. Basically, I had near-zero transition because I mistakenly have thought that was what PSIA wanted to see, but I was obviously trying to carry it to an unreasonable extreme.

Good advice from everybody. Now all I need to do is make it happen. I've got a LII exam next week. I'm not sure I can dial this in for that, but I will chalk it up to a learning experience and will certainly will report back on my results.

Thanks again.

post #39 of 42
Good luck on the exam, Joe! Stay calm and focused.

post #40 of 42
Good luck.
post #41 of 42
Thread Starter 
Thanks, guys. I'll keep you posted, either way.

post #42 of 42
Don't be too surprised if one of your exam teaching assignments is pivot slips, patience, turn entries or turn finishes.
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