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Bike Question for the Crudmiester?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I’ve ridden hard tails for 25 years, never even been on a FS bike yet. I ride every day for an hour. My place backs up to a 5000 acre forest preserve that caters to the horsey types. So I ride mostly single track horse trails that can get pretty muddy at times. Right now they are frozen and very bumpy.
Not much in the way of technical riding, but there are a couple of jumps on the three day eventing course that are 3 to 4 foot drops to flat . I’ve build a couple of NS type features, but nothing too demanding. When it’s too wet, I ride a crushed limestone rail trail that connects my preserve to several others with several hundred miles of potential bike trail.

Is a Blur Lt or a 5 Spot too much bike for this type of riding? Or should just get a 29er?

The only decent bike shop in the region is about an hour away and I am going on Saturday to test ride a couple of bikes. Specifically the Blur Lt and the Five Spot.
The Blur would be MSRP but they currently have the Five Spot listed for $1000 off at $2499.

Frame Turner 5 Spot in Black Fork Manitou Super Black w/ 90-120mm RTWD Headset Cane Creek S2 Sealed Bearing Rear Shock Fox Float RP3 -RBikes.com Rims/Wheels Mavic XM117 Rims Front Hub Shimano Deore Spokes 14G Stainless Steel Tires Hutchinson Scorpion Airlight, 26 x 2.0", Kevlar Crankset TruVativ Stylo Bottom Bracket TruVativ ISIS GigaPipe SL Chain Shimano CN-HG73 Front Derailleur Shimano XT Rear Derailleur Shimano XT Rear Cogs SRAM Powerglide II 7.0 9-spd Shifters Shimano XT Dual Control 27 Speed Handlebars TruVativ XC Riser Bar, triple butted 7050 alloy Tape/Grips WTB Stem TruVativ Wavo Brake Levers Shimano XT Dual Control Brakes Avid Mechanical Ball Bearing Disc Brakes Pedals Time Aluminum Saddle Fi:z'k Nisene Saddle Seat Post TruVativ XR Double Clamp Seat Binder Turner Aluminum Color(s) Turner Black

Thoughts or suggestions would be welcome.
post #2 of 21
Unfortunately...it may be awhile before Gonzo gets back to you.

Try MTBR or tgr.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Did he get sequestered again? I though this latest iteration was being down right civil. I must have missed an outbreak.
Thx.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD
Did he get sequestered again? I though this latest iteration was being down right civil. I must have missed an outbreak.
Thx.
Gonz is on a timeout.
post #5 of 21
Hey ShredHead, If I might chime in, the blur is a great bike, however if you can get that 5 spot for a deal like that I would lean towards the 5 spot, the 4 bar linkage is a great riding suspension design. The VPP is not without its merits, however if you break it down to price I would go with the 5 spot. Not to mention Turners are still pretty cool rides.
-Phil
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks P.
post #7 of 21
shred, I wouldn't say it's "too much" bike for that setting. but it's a LONG way from being too little bike.

skilled riders can do 2-3 foot drops on unsuspended bikes with no problems. however, that doesn't mean that you have to do likewise.

a 29er is cool, 2 friends have 'em and I rode one of them. fun locomotive experience with those big wheels. but a different feel from my 26" wheel mtbs.

the 5-Spot and the Blur both are good bikes. they have vastly different trail feel and geometry though, so you should check out both if you have the chance.
post #8 of 21

Which bike fits best?

If money is important, I'd say go for the Turner, but, as always, it has to fit your body and riding style, especially the top tube length. I rode the Blur in Downieville, and found it to be a good descender, but isn't as stiff as my Titus laterally. I haven't ridden the Turner.

Try mtbr.com for specific questions on components/frames/shocks/forks, including the Santa Cruz and/or Turner forums. FWIW, I don't think 5" is too much if the shock has a platform. Set up depends on a lot of different things.

FWIW, I ride XC in Marin/Tahoe, and have a 2003 Titus Racer X with Fox 100 RLC, a "Pushed" Fox Float shock, a SRAM drivetrain, and custom built Gravy wheels on King hubs, etc... Titus makes nice rides too.
post #9 of 21
Why do you want a new bike? Besides the obvious, "just cause" answer. From the description of the trails you ride, I'd say a hardtail is perfect.

I'm not trying to be contentious, just curious....
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
I get a new bike every 5-7 years. Typically they have 25-35,000 miles by then and most of the components are just worn out. Replacing them ends up costing almost as much as getting a new bike and on my last bike, it never really rode the same. I have a stand and most tools, but I am not a very good mechanic. Plus I would like to get disc brakes which my old ride doesn't have.

I found a really good shop that is taking good care of me.

http://richardsbicycles.com/dir/482/files/index.htm

I rode six bikes last weekend and they spend the time to set up and adjust each bike for me. I liked the Fisher 29'r and the Blur XC.

This shop really likes Santa Cruz and I was taking with the shop guy about a Blur XC and his response was that the Lt rode just the same, so why wouldn't you get the Lt.

Since they sell a lot of LT's, they are building me an LT in my size with a moderate component package to try this weekend. I don't have to take it because they know that they can sell it, if I don't want it.

Then the 5 spot came up because it looked like a smoking good deal. But on closer inspection they have used a lot of lower level components on the build and that's why it is so much off. But they are reluctant to build a 5 spot with the components I want, which is understandable, because they don't sell as many.

I think that's the hardest part of buying a bike is just the vast number of components involved. Changing just a couple of these can add big $, but it also totally changes the ride.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD
I get a new bike every 5-7 years. Typically they have 25-35,000 miles by then...
5k/yr on a mountain bike? My legs hurt just thinking about it. My roadie is 3 years old and barely has 3k on it.
post #12 of 21
Shreadhead,

Try reposting the question Here Cyclingforums MTB page

Good Luck. I just got a new road bike and I'm in lust. Like you I rode a bunch of stuff, and it came down to a first impression/gut reaction. I ended up getting a Felt F55 (an '05) after riding a bunch of other "better" stuff (specalized/lightspeed/Felt/trek). The new ride is an AL/Carbon mix with DuraAce (10 speed) and FSA carbon cranks. 16 Lbs 9oz without pedals. It's a rocketship!!!

L
post #13 of 21
shred, on your comments below...

1) Richards has a pretty good rep among the folks on MTBR.com, but from my review of their pricing, it's not that competitive. but at least it's better than Lee Bridgers' Moab-based yuppie vampire/leech, Dreamride.

2) to a great extent, the idea of component levels is more a mfr selling point than a buyer's value point. in the Shimano line, LX is plenty good. in the SRAM line, X-7 is plenty good. all else is jewelry and puffery. I've never owned Shimano XTR or SRAM X-0 and I never will. waaaaaaaayyyy overpriced for what they give in return. they're really for poseurs and sponsored riders.

3) the Blur LT is not a good idea if the Blur suits you. the extra travel is irrelevant to the riding you've described. Richards must have overbought or overcommitted on the Blur LT. ignore them on that point. I would imagine they're caught up in the new dork craze of travel overkill. people don't need more than 3" travel for what you've described. 5" definitely is overkill. more than 5" is downright stupid.

4) the Turner 5-Spot is superior to the Blur from every perspective. however, it might not fit you as well geometry wise.

5) I would suggest looking at a Turner Flux rather than a Blur or 5-Spot as long as you're still shopping.

6) the more important component specs on the bikes you're looking at (after my observations about LX and X-7 above) are: what disc brakes, and what suspension fork, and what rear suspension damper (shock). these are where you can get hosed on quality/value.

7) a 29er with FS is overkill for sure. 29ers eliminate a lot of the jostling from rough terrain, because they can roll over things that would stop a 26" wheel/tire combo.

report back with observations and Qs!

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD
I get a new bike every 5-7 years. Typically they have 25-35,000 miles by then and most of the components are just worn out. Replacing them ends up costing almost as much as getting a new bike and on my last bike, it never really rode the same. I have a stand and most tools, but I am not a very good mechanic. Plus I would like to get disc brakes which my old ride doesn't have.

I found a really good shop that is taking good care of me.

http://richardsbicycles.com/dir/482/files/index.htm

I rode six bikes last weekend and they spend the time to set up and adjust each bike for me. I liked the Fisher 29'r and the Blur XC.

This shop really likes Santa Cruz and I was taking with the shop guy about a Blur XC and his response was that the Lt rode just the same, so why wouldn't you get the Lt.

Since they sell a lot of LT's, they are building me an LT in my size with a moderate component package to try this weekend. I don't have to take it because they know that they can sell it, if I don't want it.

Then the 5 spot came up because it looked like a smoking good deal. But on closer inspection they have used a lot of lower level components on the build and that's why it is so much off. But they are reluctant to build a 5 spot with the components I want, which is understandable, because they don't sell as many.

I think that's the hardest part of buying a bike is just the vast number of components involved. Changing just a couple of these can add big $, but it also totally changes the ride.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by uncle crud
5) I would suggest looking at a Turner Nitrous rather than a Blur or 5-Spot as long as you're still shopping.
I think you meant to say Turner Flux.

The Nitrous is an uber-light 3" travel racing only machine. In fact, DT has a rider weight limit of 180 lbs or so for the Nitrous.

Flux is 4" travel and is far more durable.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
I think you meant to say Turner Flux.

The Nitrous is an uber-light 3" travel racing only machine. In fact, DT has a rider weight limit of 180 lbs or so for the Nitrous.

Flux is 4" travel and is far more durable.
right you are. I"m not a flyweight FS rider, I don't really know those frames well.

I'm changing my post above, thanks Squeak.

PS: isn't the Flux limit 160 lbs? or 150? something crazy light? probably whatever Kabush weighs, I'd guess.
post #16 of 21
I'm not sure Mr.Crud. Last year it was around 160 but I read that the weight limit was raised slightly.
A friend of mine is a high level 24 hr racer sponsored by Turner and received a Nitrous last year. It's a cool bike but would not stand up to everyday riding. Just too ridiculously light - even for me
post #17 of 21
Edit: deleted and asked over at MTBR

Bite me Gonz
post #18 of 21
go away sick cyberstalker.
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post #20 of 21

WSD irrelevant to durability

WSD bikes either fit or don't, and that's the only reason to get them. WSD parts usually aren't less durable; they're just smaller, narrower, etc. Buy based on fit & go ride. Good luck.
post #21 of 21
Thanks Dino
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