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GS skis for 14 yr old female racer - Atomic LT11 vs. Volkl P60 GC vs. Fischer RC4 RC

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I'm trying to find some new GS skis for my little sister. She's 14, turning 15 soon, about 5'3" 110 lbs, not the most aggressive. She's just starting to grow.

I'm looking into either the 2005 Volkl P60 GC non-FIS model in 173 or the 2005 Fischer RC4 RC non-FIS in 170, or maybe a`2006 Atomic LT11 in 170. I'm pretty sure the Fischers are best skis, but would they be manageable for someone of her size? Has anyone tried those Volkls? I know nothing about them...I know the Atomics would be the easiest but I'm worried about them not being enough ski, especially for next season, after she's grown some...
post #2 of 20
My advice would be to put her on a 160 JUNIOR GS race ski. I think 170 is way too long for her. At 110 pounds and "not aggressive" she is going to have trouble bending the adult race skis. My daughter is about 115 pounds and absolutely rips on 152 and 160 cm junior race skis (Elan). If you really think she will outgrow junior skis (125lbs or so) then I would asvise her trying aomething like a race carver or detuned GS like the Atomic GS 9. If she is not racing, why not a more versatile all mountain ski?
post #3 of 20

Volkl P60 GC

I am 240 lbs and just bought 2005 Volkl P60 GC GS. They are awsome!!!! Mine are 180cm, I think that 170cm would be way too much for your daughter. Not from a skill level, but from weight perspective. They are really aggresive, and I think that you need both weight and skill to keep them under control. We just finished 4 days at Tremblant, by the end of the day they were throwing me around. If she had a chance to demo some of this years Racetigers, they are the same ski just with a different top sheet. This would be very helpful. Good luck!
post #4 of 20

OOPS - Sister not Daughter

just a little typing error.
post #5 of 20
Is your sister actually going to race on the skis?

She's not agressive .... so why put her on a GS?

Also agree (with others), that the skis you want to put her on (even though not race stock), are still way too long.

Most kids favor a slalom ski.
post #6 of 20

Does size really matter?

I am following this thread with interest as I have a daughter in the same situation. One year younger, but same weight. (13 - 5'2" - 110lbs) She is on a pair of Atomic JR GS11s at 150 . They are now to small, and I have my eyes peeled for a used pair or solid end of season deal.

She is racing. I would not describe her as an aggressive skier, but she is solid enough to be racing and is middle of the pack for her age group in our race club.

What size ski. I was thinking a pair of 160's in a Junior GS Race ski. She seems to think she could handle a pair of 170s. She sees the better skiers on these lengths. I think that would be too much ski even in the jr version. Maybe the compromise would be a pair of 163s or 165s.

I was thinking a pair of Volks (P60 or Race Tiger) or a pair of Fischers, but the best deal will probably dictate the brand. She has a preference for a pair of Fischers.

Your thoughts on the size issue for her GS skis.:

Her current SL ski is the Atomic SL11 Jr at 144 and they seem about bang on. I anticipate we will squeeze another year out of the SLs.
post #7 of 20
How long will it be till she breaks into the J-2 group, assuming that she is USSA racing?
post #8 of 20

J1=j2???

We are in Canada so our system is a little different, or at least has different titles. She is one full season away from what I understand to be USSA J2.

She is currently 13 which is first year K-2 in Canada. Our system is as follows:

K-1 = 11 & 12 year olds
K-2 = 13&14
J-1 = 15&16 (equal to USSA J-2, if I understand it correctly??: )
J-2 = 17&18

She is first year K-2.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki
How long will it be till she breaks into the J-2 group, assuming that she is USSA racing?
post #9 of 20
My point is very simple here. Her skis will have to be 155 for SL and 175 for GS, the following season.

I know that cost is no object simply because you are a race parent, having sold your boat (the hole in the water that you toss $$$ into), and have probably signed a contract of indentured servantry for your next born.

Many of the kids when they hit the reality that they will have to be on long skis are in a state of total shock; they look like deer in the headlights.

Since it is late in the season, when deals can be had, I'd lean towards getting her as close as you practically can to be "legal". This is just to ease into the transition.

Dawgcatching helped me with my son by coming up with a softer flex but legal Blizzard GS that have since been passed off to another racer.
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
My sister IS actually racing. She will be J1 (15 yrs old) next season, so we have to buy with that in mind. 170-175 would be the proper length. I, and other coaches who have seen her ski, have agreed on this. Our head coach, a CSCF Level 3, feels that anything 1 mm under 170 would be too short, especially buying with next season in mind. She's just started really growing...

She will be racing Cadet next year, scored in ACA points. While skis are supposed to be FIS-legal, length is really not seen as an issue, nor radius. Last year's overall female winner was on 170 GS9s. In Quebec, this is the level just below FIS. Penalties are about 90 points.

She started using my brother's old 9X WC 175s for SG this year but found them to be better GS skis than her current 150s, even in tighter courses. The skis are only borderline too much. I figure something with a bit more shape and a bit shorter would do the trick just fine.

I did not ask about length. I asked about models. If anyone has any info about that, that would be great.

Cheers
post #11 of 20

ACA Points

What are her national points (ACA)?:

Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
My sister IS actually racing. She will be J1 (15 yrs old) next season, so we have to buy with that in mind. 170-175 would be the proper length. I, and other coaches who have seen her ski, have agreed on this. Our head coach, a CSCF Level 3, feels that anything 1 mm under 170 would be too short, especially buying with next season in mind. She's just started really growing...

She will be racing Cadet next year, scored in ACA points. While skis are supposed to be FIS-legal, length is really not seen as an issue, nor radius. Last year's overall female winner was on 170 GS9s. In Quebec, this is the level just below FIS. Penalties are about 90 points.

She started using my brother's old 9X WC 175s for SG this year but found them to be better GS skis than her current 150s, even in tighter courses. The skis are only borderline too much. I figure something with a bit more shape and a bit shorter would do the trick just fine.

I did not ask about length. I asked about models. If anyone has any info about that, that would be great.

Cheers
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski-Dad
What are her national points (ACA)?:
She's still K2, so pretty high... She finishes about middle of the pack in our regional races...
post #13 of 20
have you checked the gear issue of ski press magazine? they have a review of the JR SL and GS skis.
post #14 of 20
My kids also race in Ontario. My son is K2 and daughter is in the Hershey League and J1.
They are both still on junior race skis and do very well on them. My daughter is 16 and weighs 115llb.She is on a Fischer JR gs 168 cm and a Jr Fischer Slalom 153 cm. My son is 13, 120 llbs and is on the same skis.
You dont want to rush the kids into adult skis, they wont be able to flex them properly and will get themselves into trouble they arent strong enough to pull out of. The other thing is Jr skis are about half the price of adult models. The Fischer Jr race are quite stiff and can be used by fairly heavy and agressive kids. Atomic also makes Jr race stock skis, that are stiffer than the retail models.
post #15 of 20

booch

I think you missed my point on getting a kid who will be racing in USSA/FIS sanctioned events ready to compete or get DQ'ed at the start.

When they hit the magic number, here in the US as a J-2, they have to be on legal gear. For a girl, 155/SL or 175/GS.

At this point, it's not a matter of "adult" gear, it's about getting them on a legal ski.

Since race season is almost over, if you are going to buy gear and it will be illegal at the start of next season ..... what's the point.

This last month of fun racing while the snow lasts is a great time to get them used to the stuff.

The idea is to shop for skis with the correct (or as close as you can project), flex.

I don't know what the Hershey league is about and what rules you are following. I am citing USSA/FIS.

In this case, she has a full year to go. One problem with some kids is that they get hooked on that short stuff and as they advance, and the speed builds, you may start to see snow flying (crashes), because the "talent" is not suported by the gear.
post #16 of 20
I was replying to SkiDad, who is also from Canada. Even at J level, unless you are on the podium, no one is worrying about FIS rules, and even at that unless someone files a protest, there is no concern..
Hershey is a ski league in Canada for J age racers to race in a team format.
As I also said Atomic makes junior race stock skis that are FIS legal for the anal crowd. Not all kids are big or heavy enough to ski adult skis that meet the FIS requirements.
post #17 of 20
Sounds like Canada has more sense than down here. Since the rules change there were pitched battles and lawyers and letters flying. A few parents were dropping the $100 bill down and they were treating kids like Bode .... having skis confisicated .... It was a horror show for some kids.
post #18 of 20
Your right, some parents ruin it for the kids. I have seen parents at races who are worse than hockey parents.
We arent any smarter here though, we have the same stupid politics interfering with what should be just a fun weekend for the athletes, who realistically 99% are going no where, they just want to race with their friends.
Up until 3 years ago we had a rule that K age racers were only allowed 1 pair of skis, either GS or Slalom and they had to be registered with Alpine Ontario.It ended up that there was so much cheating going on they eliminated the rule. Who do you think was cheating, the 12 and 13 year olds or their parents?
post #19 of 20
To get back on track. I have the RC4 WC RC in 175 and I weigh 190. I don't think she could bend that ski at 110 pounds. Look for the long end of the Jr. GS skis from Fischer or Atomic. My favorite ski shop is the Ski Depot (www.ski-depot.com) and they sell over the internet and are a Fischer sanctioned race shop. They tend to have pretty good deals at the end of the season...I bought the RC4's last year for less than 1/2 of the MSRP in April.
post #20 of 20
I just looked at the Ski Depot website. RC4 WC Jr GS skis in 168cm with Fischer FR11 bindings - US$389. That's a smokin' hot deal this time of year!
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