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What GS and Race Skis Do You Like Best?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
i'm looking to add a GS or race ski to my 2006 metron m:10 164's and nordica speedmachine 12 boots. i'm open to new or last year's models by any manufacturer. i ski out west and love keystone, heavenly, park city, and whistler, and will try big sky for the first time next month. i like packed powder and groomed runs for fast, medium to large radius turns. i'm a 51 y/o level 7 skier at 160 lbs and 5-11.

i'm considering the following skis in the 170 to 178 cm range, but open to other recommendations:

nordica dobermann pro rc
nordica dobermann src
nordica speedmachine 14 or 14.1 or 16.1
atomic LT:11
atomic sx:11 or 10
atomic gs:9 or bm:9

thanks in advance for any input.

keith
post #2 of 25
Dynastar Course 66
Dynastar Course 67
Rossi 9X

For your size, mass, and skier type, both of the above would be a MUCH better choice than an atomic, IMO.
post #3 of 25
Stockli SC ..... 170, you will be suprised.
post #4 of 25
A true GS ski is not a pleasure to freeski, since it needs to be driven at all time and it'll have a big ol' radius. Something like a nice SX (skiercross) ski, in a 175+ length would be a lot better if you want something with more bite that'll handle even the iciest condition.
post #5 of 25
Stockli Stormrider XL in a 174cm. 75mm in the waist, but more GS'y race stock than you can probably handle.
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by jeffr
A true GS ski is not a pleasure to freeski, since it needs to be driven at all time and it'll have a big ol' radius. Something like a nice SX (skiercross) ski, in a 175+ length would be a lot better if you want something with more bite that'll handle even the iciest condition.
Actualy, most of high end skiercross are actualy 'consumers' (non-FIS legal) GS in disguise (or vice versa). As far as I know, a Dynastar SC11 is very close to a course 67 (with a different plate), a Salomon crossmax V12 is an Equipe GC with a flashy topsheet.
So, I'll second FanOZakk : There's a huge difference between a Dynastar Course and a Course Comp (the race stock ski) or between a Rossi 9X and a 9X WC, the formers being quite 'user friendly'.

(Edit : 'High end skier cross', meaning retail high end skier cross... The guys who compete in theX-Games use special skis...)
post #7 of 25
Hi BMG,

Action Sports Outlet has a good selection of GS racing skis right now.

http://stores.ebay.com/Action-Sports-Outlet

Search under "GS"; http://search.stores.ebay.com/Action-Sports-Outlet_GS_W0QQfciZ6QQfclZ4QQfsnZActionQ20SportsQ20 OutletQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ2QQsaselZ118178354QQso fpZ0


Also http://www.ski-depot.com/ has a very good selection.

Cheers,

Michael
post #8 of 25
Don't buy high end race skis, you won't be able to handle them and won't use them well. Get the tuned down versions. Try a Fischer RX8
post #9 of 25
BMG....For what it's worth I'm selling my 2005 GS9s (170) with Neox bindings for $300. They've got 7 days on em.

Here's why....

Last year, before injuring my lower back (SI Joint) I was asking the exact same questions as you. I train/race Masters at Mammoth, CA and chose to go with the Atomic GS9 for lots of reasons. First, it has a much shorter radius than the GS11. Second, it is a softer ski which means I can make it flex and carve with less effort. At my age (52) I don't have the muscle/skeletal strength to really work a full-on race stock ski to its full potential.

The very first day I clicked in, I beat several of the guys on GS11s and other race stock skis -- even some younger guys. Many of my racing peers (50+) are out there with full tilt race skis and they really struggle. Sorry guys... but you're just not as young as Bode and Daron.

Here's another thing. Frankly, we're not going nearly as fast as WC racers so the side/cross torsion rigidity is really not an issue. This is an awesome ski and I highly recommend it over almost anything else... if you can put your ego aside.

So, why am I selling them? I am now experimenting using the Head Supershape for a GS ski (even though it is really a slalom ski). It is not FIS compliant.. but, neither is Masters. And it's a bit controversial to use it as a GS ski, but so far, I really like the ski. Plus, I'm just one of those guys who never stops tinkering around skis and various set-ups, edge angles, etc. At any rate if you're interested in the GS9s you can PM me. If not, I would recommend a demo day on the Supershapes (although I'm sure there are plenty who will disagree with that choice) or any of the other fine suggestions on this board. At the end of the day, you've got to find what works for YOU - based on your conditioning, technique, strength, typical snow conditions, etc.

Good luck.

Art
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by sir jman
Don't buy high end race skis, you won't be able to handle them and won't use them well. Get the tuned down versions. Try a Fischer RX8
What, specifically is it that allows you to determine what other people will "be able to handle?" Especially while sitting behind a computer keyboard.

I would say, at the bare minimum, you should at least see someone ski before judging what kind of ski they may or may not be able to "use well."
post #11 of 25
For GS skis, I'm fond of the Fischer WC GS and the Elan GSX. Both are powerful race skis that like to be skied cleanly.

For Race Carvers (Cheater GSs), I like the Fischer WC RC. For some skiers I recommend the Atomic GS:9 or LT:11 (I weigh a bit much for them). Along those lines you can find Atomic GS:R /GS:ti / GS:C prototypes on eBay for as little as $150, and the bindings to go with them are as cheap as $125, all new from reputable sellers. Worth a look.

For Cross skis the SX:11 is very popular among some Masters racers in my area.

Since you have a short turner with some float, a longer turning carving ski isn't a bad addition to the quiver. Just don't go in over your head as far as ability level or you'll end up with a ski you never use.
post #12 of 25
Quote:
Actualy, most of high end skiercross are actualy 'consumers' (non-FIS legal) GS in disguise (or vice versa). As far as I know, a Dynastar SC11 is very close to a course 67 (with a different plate), a Salomon crossmax V12 is an Equipe GC with a flashy topsheet.
So, I'll second FanOZakk : There's a huge difference between a Dynastar Course and a Course Comp (the race stock ski) or between a Rossi 9X and a 9X WC, the formers being quite 'user friendly'.

(Edit : 'High end skier cross', meaning retail high end skier cross... The guys who compete in theX-Games use special skis...)
I'm very aware of that, and this is why I directed him towards this particular category of ski wich tends to have a softer plate than the retail gs, and sometimes a bit more sidecut. For me, a true gs ski is a race stock ski (>21, 185+, etc.).

X-gamers use the race stock gs with a different top-sheet and sometimes a different plate with less lift (for the jumps).
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
hey guys,

thanks for the great suggestions. i'm looking for a forgiving, easy to ski all day type of "race" or gs ski, not a flat out competition racing ski....i am not competing, just skiing for fun. i like controlled, stable speed with medium and long radius turns, but not at the expense of having to stop after a half-day, or less, because i had to work so hard to ski them properly.

still looking,

keith
post #14 of 25
I have a pair of 178cm Dynastar Course 66s for sale. Great ski, could be exactly what you are looking for.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=36423

My thinking is along Art's line; I train masters and don't need a full-blown World Cup race ski. I went a bit too short with this pair, though. Note, I am much bigger than you (215lbs).

Dynastar GS skis have always been very user-friendly; definitely among, if not The, most pleasurable free-skiing GS skis. This is no exception. Here's the link to the SKI Magazine review. Like most of these types of reviews, it's a bit over the top, but it captures the ski pretty well:

http://www.skimag.com/skimag/buyers_...ski256,00.html

In the interest of full dislcosure, I bought these last month from the Action Sports Outlet site linked to above. I've put a $100 worth of tuning into them. I got a screamin' good deal and can pass it on to you.

(I hope mentioning my own for sale item here doesn't breach forum etiquette. If it does, just say the word and I will delete this post.)
post #15 of 25
I'm thinking that a Nordica Speedmachine 12 boot is going to have a tough time pressuring the tip of a true GS ski just because it's got much more flex to it than the ski does. I'd match something like an Fischer RX9 or Volkl Supersport to it.

But as far the original question- my favorite race skis these days are Dynastars. They allow me to use them as I desire rather than forcing my skiing to match the behavior of the ski.
post #16 of 25
I've been thinking about getting a more relaxed cruizer ski too, one that will make sweet long turns, but be a littler easier to herd through the odd mis-placed mogul field than my current LR skis. Here's my suggestions.

Atomic SX11, SXB5, lt11, I'm guessing at your 150 lbs the GS11 is a little on the stiff side.

Fischer RX9, WC RC, Again guessing the full-blown RC4 GS is too much.

At my 165 lbs, the Rossi 9x is too wimpy, maybe at 150 lbs it's ok, or maybe try the Rossi 9X WC.

Solomon Equipe GC (not SC) is worth a look.

Vollkl Superspeeds? Maybe a little stiff at normal speeds.

If your talking about skis for off-piste powder, just forget the above; you asked for race gs so I assume your on the groomed.
post #17 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir jman
Don't buy high end race skis, you won't be able to handle them and won't use them well. Get the tuned down versions. Try a Fischer RX8
You should try speaking only for yourself in the future. I’m pretty sure I can handle my skis fine.

That said, my skis are GS11 Race Stocks, very unforgiving but certainly fast and full of potential. The Racetigers are a nice choice as well if you are into those.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by camhabib
You should try speaking only for yourself in the future. I’m pretty sure I can handle my skis fine.

That said, my skis are GS11 Race Stocks, very unforgiving but certainly fast and full of potential. The Racetigers are a nice choice as well if you are into those.

Edit, you are not even the thread poster. I was speaking to him "A 51 year old level 7"

Post less, think more.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer
What, specifically is it that allows you to determine what other people will "be able to handle?" Especially while sitting behind a computer keyboard.

I would say, at the bare minimum, you should at least see someone ski before judging what kind of ski they may or may not be able to "use well."
Did the thread starter not specify his skill level, age, and condition?
post #20 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffr
I'm very aware of that, and this is why I directed him towards this particular category of ski wich tends to have a softer plate than the retail gs, and sometimes a bit more sidecut. For me, a true gs ski is a race stock ski (>21, 185+, etc.).

X-gamers use the race stock gs with a different top-sheet and sometimes a different plate with less lift (for the jumps).
Yes, I was not disputing your point, rather complementing it.
post #21 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir jman
Edit, you are not even the thread poster. I was speaking to him "A 51 year old level 7"

Post less, think more.
Well then I apologize, but you still have no idea whether or not this man could handle a race stock or not. For all you know, he could have the power to snap the ski in half and beat someone over the head with it if he wanted to.
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by philippeR
Actualy, most of high end skiercross are actualy 'consumers' (non-FIS legal) GS in disguise (or vice versa). As far as I know, a Dynastar SC11 is very close to a course 67 (with a different plate)
That being said, when I tested the Ski Cross 11, I found that plate WAY too bouncy. I had to work like a fiend to keep myself forward and not getting launched up and back on the ski. Yet, when I tested the 67, no such problem. Hmmm...
post #23 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by FanOZakk
That being said, when I tested the Ski Cross 11, I found that plate WAY too bouncy. I had to work like a fiend to keep myself forward and not getting launched up and back on the ski. Yet, when I tested the 67, no such problem. Hmmm...
I have this ARS plate on my '05 SC10, and I like it. Its is supposed to absorb vibration and give rebound. The ski is quite smooth and swift indeed (is it because of the plate, I don't know...). The 67 has a regular racing plate, more precise.
I guess the ARS doesn't fit well on the SC11, which is a new design. No need to test ride the Pro then !

How did you like the 67 ? I didn't had a chance to ski it, but I usualy love Dynastar 'consumer' GS and I'm, well, curious !
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by philippeR
I have this ARS plate on my '05 SC10, and I like it. Its is supposed to absorb vibration and give rebound. The ski is quite smooth and swift indeed (is it because of the plate, I don't know...). The 67 has a regular racing plate, more precise.
I guess the ARS doesn't fit well on the SC11, which is a new design. No need to test ride the Pro then !

How did you like the 67 ? I didn't had a chance to ski it, but I usualy love Dynastar 'consumer' GS and I'm, well, curious !
It is a good ski, that I cannot take away from it. Very solid, without being too beefy, and very easy to control. An ideal Masters GS ski.

The one thing I couldn't quite wrap my head around was the radius...should I ski this like a little GS ski, or a big SL ski? Since it was closer to the slalom ski, I wound up pushing the ski a bit harder and doing a bit more of a SL-esque turn on 'em. But in a GS course, they would handle beautifully.
post #25 of 25

Fischer WC RC

Others have mentioned this ski. I am 42, 160 lbs., probably a level 8. I have this ski in a 175 (16m). Having never skied west of Windham, NY, I am not sure how this ski or any race ski would ski out west.

On hardpack, this ski is brilliant. On softer snow, blah, lifeless.
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