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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi guys,

I need some quick feedback. I have a chance to pick up some 2004-2005 Volkl Supersport Superspeed skis and bindings for $300.

Some quick info:

5'11"
160 lbs.
Beginniner, but learning quickly.
I can ski the blues easily, blacks are fun but maybe sometimes a little much.
Volkl Skis are 168 cm model.
I ski in the Salt Lake area (brighton, sundance, alta, snowbird, canyons)
Current skis are Rossignol CUT 9.5s

I really want to get these because of the price. Would I be ok with these?
post #2 of 24
No. Learn to ski first. You will just look like an idiot on those.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by sir jman
No. Learn to ski first. You will just look like an idiot on those.
Ok.. can you be a little more specific? What should I look into getting instead? Why will I have such a problem on those? I fogot to add that I have been skiing on old Rossignol CUT 9.5s.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by eysikal
Ok.. can you be a little more specific? What should I look into getting instead? Why will I have such a problem on those? I fogot to add that I have been skiing on old Rossignol CUT 9.5s.
Get some beginner/intermediate skis. You will be better off. If you really think your are good, you may be ok on volkl 4 stars and they would give you room to grow. In terms of other volks an AC2 might be more fitting.

There is nothing funnier than seeing a mediocre skiier on expert skis.
post #5 of 24
OMG -- that, short of a Race Stock SG ski -- is about the worst choice you could possibly make. You won't even be able to turn it, and you'll hate it. I've been skiing all of my life and I wouldn't choose that ski as my primary ski. But the good enws is that the size is right! If you are shopping Gart sale there are some other skis there that would be better but they are *very* hit or miss.
post #6 of 24

Superspeeds too much

I have a pair and like them a lot, but a beginner, even an athletic one, will have his skiing hampered by the stiffness of the SSpeeds. Lodro's advice is good; get something like a 4 Star or another lighter carver. Take some lessons & move up after you have more days under you.
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
Ok, so what size should I get in the 4 star? And where can a I find a good deal? Wouldn't you guys say $300 for those other skis was a great deal?

Anything good at the Gart sale?
post #8 of 24
eysikal I'm going to go against the grain here and say get em! Great price. They are dinky little things at 168, turn radius is only 15.9 at that length so plenty quick, couple layers of metal so if you keep em stoned they are going to hold for ya no matter how hard it gets. Great price. What's not to like? They will let you learn to rip the groomers. It is a very unassuming ski in terms of graphics so not an eye catcher. Great price.

- Fossil
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by Flying Fossil
eysikal I'm going to go against the grain here and say get em! Great price. They are dinky little things at 168, turn radius is only 15.9 at that length so plenty quick, couple layers of metal so if you keep em stoned they are going to hold for ya no matter how hard it gets. Great price. What's not to like? They will let you learn to rip the groomers. It is a very unassuming ski in terms of graphics so not an eye catcher. Great price.

- Fossil
Thanks, not sure what I am going to do now. Mixed feedback. The stiffness will be the biggest problem? Meaning if I try to ski moguls I will have a hard time unless I hit them just right?

Also, are these less shaped than other skis, and thus the reason they don't turn as well?
post #10 of 24

$300 is a good deal...so many skis- so little time.

I thought these skis were dogs...Hohum. Too damp, not a real race-carver, not a real GS.
Until you know how to rail 'em and project/downunweight...leave 4cm wide carving tracks- you really can't tell what a ski is like...skidding is only part of a turn. Maybe if you put a 3 degree base bevel on 'em...
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by g-force
I thought these skis were dogs...Hohum. Too damp, not a real race-carver, not a real GS.
Until you know how to rail 'em and project/downunweight...leave 4cm wide carving tracks- you really can't tell what a ski is like...skidding is only part of a turn. Maybe if you put a 3 degree base bevel on 'em...
Yeah... I am definitely new to this because you just lost me...
post #12 of 24
jman suggested the AC2, great ski in the current line, but if you are price sensitive, take a look on ebay for some Volkl 724's, a better value and put what ever you save into boots. You will get more out of a lesser ski and better boots than the opposite.
post #13 of 24
As a beginner you'd be miserable on them and FORGET about bumps.
A K2 Apache X might be a good choice or perhaps an Elan M-8 which is a nice ski that enables you to feel a carved turn and goes for a good price on E-bay.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by eysikal
Hi guys,

I need some quick feedback. I have a chance to pick up some 2004-2005 Volkl Supersport Superspeed skis and bindings for $300.

Some quick info:

5'11"
160 lbs.
Beginniner, but learning quickly.
I can ski the blues easily, blacks are fun but maybe sometimes a little much.
Volkl Skis are 168 cm model.
I ski in the Salt Lake area (brighton, sundance, alta, snowbird, canyons)
Current skis are Rossignol CUT 9.5s

I really want to get these because of the price. Would I be ok with these?
What they said. The superspeed is one of a the worst choice available for a beginner. Super stiff, super unforgiving. You wont have fun and you wont learn.
To what others may had suggested as alternative choices, I'll add the Rossi Z5 (to stay mostly on the groomers), a dynastar 4800 (more versatile), a bandit (B2 or B3, choose the model according to how much pow you intend to ski) or a Salomon scrambler (choice of model according to intended use). All good skis for intermediates that will let you progress smoothly.
post #15 of 24
I'm an intermediate skier with two sets of 170 skis, the AC2 that most here would probably recommend for me, and a set of Atomic SX:10 that are considered too much ski for my level (and as I've read on this forum, "a one trick pony".) The truth? The difference between them is small, and I'm fine on either one all day long in whatever conditions here in the east. I'm heavier than you at around 200lbs., so that may be a factor. If I had to pick one, I'd keep the Atomics because they're a little more stable at speed. I would rather have a ski that's too stiff than one that's too soft. That said, there are lots of Superspeeds on eBay for $300-$400, so I don't see this as a deal you can't pass up.
post #16 of 24
Superspeeds are great for top-experts who want to rip hard carves on groomers. They would be brutal for beginner/intermediate skiers, and they are not ideal for anyone in ungroomed conditions.
post #17 of 24
Looking for a bargain?? Shop around and if you can find them, the 182 Superspeeds may be even cheaper than the 168"s...but then again the "blacks" you currently find a little fun would be a LOT LESS fun
Look elsewhere
post #18 of 24
i agree, the superspeed is basically like a gs race ski. This means it will not be suitable for a beginner. You can still get a nice ski such as a rossignol b2 or b1 volkl ac2 or 3 or something along those lines. I guarentee you will not be happy with the superspeed. Maybe you will progress in a couple years to the point where you'll be able to drive those skis, then maybe pick up a pair.
post #19 of 24
also regarding this deal
the bindings that are included with this ski at Gart\SA are garbage.
some all plastic marker crap.
they would not swap out.

I was seriously considering this ski, but I just love skiing trees and bumps too much to sacrafice that for a hardpack carver. I guess I dont really want a hardpack carver that much...of course I do live out west.

great resounding advice.
do not buy this ski.....yet....
wait till next year till there are a lot of used ones with DECENT bindings.
also demo it before you buy it, I seriously think its not what you want for being able to do bumps unless you're carving zippers through them.

anyway, have fun.
post #20 of 24
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I ski in the Salt Lake area (brighton, sundance, alta, snowbird, canyons)
The superspeed has a good rep (like many of the Volkl skis) but they are designed for hard-pack and fast speeds. Thus, they are likely too narrow underfoot and too stiff for Utah conditions (at least for the Utah conditions I'd want to ski). While these Utah places might have hard-packed groomers, I don't think most people go there for those conditions.

Given your ability AND the places you ski, the superstars (or any of the stars) aren't really ideal. The skis in the AC line are more appropriate. Keep in mind that, as good as the Volkl skis are, there are lots of good skis. Demo, demo, demo.

Also, no one can recommend a ski to you unless you note the kind of skiing and conditions you like (or want) to ski. You should learn more about ski types before you buy anything. You should certainly do a bit of research before asking for opinions. Any ski will have fans and detractors. Also keep in mind that some people can, and choose to, ski using a ski that is "inappropriate" for the condition (eg, a "race" ski in powder). It doesn't mean -you- should.

Don't pick a ski because there's a deal on it UNLESS it's the ski you want!
post #21 of 24
Yeah, I mentioned the bit about the bindings elsewhere..totally silly..you could sell the LTs on ebay and pick up some pistons but by that time.. I noticed that they had SAllie Scrambler SCs there w/ integrated binders for about the same price -- I'm not sure what that relates to in the regular Salomon lineup but prob. wouldn't be too bad.

On the Superspeeds I actually skied these a couple of weeks ago when I was out at Mount Snow and I'm glad I didn't pick them up when I was thinking about it earlier this year..people have said that they are more versatile than one would think, but I didn't find that to be the case -- maybe I'm not man enough for them either. Seriously I found that they could carve big and even medium turns nicely and could handle the bumps ok, but they weren't any fun unless you are going Mach Schnell - not a lot of opportunity for that at Mount Snow esp. w/ rained on slush mixed with occasional see through ice..
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by eysikal
Yeah... I am definitely new to this because you just lost me...
Yeah, I think *hope* he was joking. On SuperSpeeds with 3 d bevel you might well end up into the trees at 30 mph.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Lodro
OMG -- that, short of a Race Stock SG ski -- is about the worst choice you could possibly make. You won't even be able to turn it, and you'll hate it. I've been skiing all of my life and I wouldn't choose that ski as my primary ski. But the good enws is that the size is right! If you are shopping Gart sale there are some other skis there that would be better but they are *very* hit or miss.
I must have been somewhere around "intermediate" when I got my race stock SGs ; nothing else was stable bombing the double blacks.

If you plan on only skiing at SG speeds so you can bend them, don't mind falling a lot until you get used to their unforgiving nature (which hurts a bit more at SG speeds), prefer carving a turn to skidding a turn, and don't mind looking like a total dufus while these skis teach you the finer points of high-speed skiing, then these are a good buy for you, unless you plan on skiing off-piste.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I must have been somewhere around "intermediate" when I got my race stock SGs ; nothing else was stable bombing the double blacks.

If you plan on only skiing at SG speeds so you can bend them, don't mind falling a lot until you get used to their unforgiving nature (which hurts a bit more at SG speeds), prefer carving a turn to skidding a turn, and don't mind looking like a total dufus while these skis teach you the finer points of high-speed skiing, then these are a good buy for you, unless you plan on skiing off-piste.
Honestly, I've tried the '05 Superspeeeds in 182 cm, and I can think of several GS skis (not race stock though) far more user friendly. As somebody said, those are really 'one trick ponies'. They absolutly sucked at anything but highspeed carved turns on hard snow. And in the real world there are times when you need to skid a turn, when you fall in the back seat, when you hit bumps, when you have to ski in 4 inches of fresh snow... They can do all this. But with a lot of work and no fun. Some skis may be challenging in a fun way. Those were not. As a unique, do-it-all ski for an intermediate western skier ? That would be a REAL mistake !
And I'm certainly not an expert skier, but well above the intermediate level.
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