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post #61 of 77
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Originally Posted by hep4186
OK, I think I get it. This is under "General Ski Discussions". During the olympics, speed skaters marched in the opening ceremonies along with skiers so that qualifies this topic for an epicski thread?

Give me a break. Go on an NBC site to complain about our athletes. They are really good at it.
Hey Hep,

Here's an idea: don't click on the little tab that says "Shani Davis." It works wonders for me.
post #62 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lars
mollmeister and songfta,

OMG, for once I agree with you.
You saved me alot of typing!

lets not get sucked in by all the NBC hype! And their way of saying something without actually saying it so you all can make it up on your own and echo it here!

Lets all stand and applaud ALL of our Olympic athletes for their Dedication and Sacrifice that got them there in the first place! Some have won gold others have come really close But IMHO they represent all of us (in the USA) and I am dam proud of all of them!
post #63 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lars
Maybe the fact that he received numerous death threats before the race had something to do with his personality at the post race interview huh?

Countless emails calling him a nigger.

Non support from a teammate who was pissed because he didn't help him win a personal best five Gold Medals.

I'd cut the guy a break if I were you.

I'm sorry. He didn't let down just one teammate. He let down his entire team and country. He said he would race and then backed out. The main reason he backed out was because everyone talked about Chad getting 5 golds possibly, and not about Shanty being black on the Olympic skating team.

He feels the Olympics should be about him, and not about Team USA. Period!!!!!!!!
post #64 of 77
Davis showed no class in the press conference. Seemed to be going pretty well, then he had to toss a shot.

Headrick sat there perplexed for damned near half a minute as Davis walked off. Basic comment was that as team captain, Davis never approached him and never communicated and left the team in a bind. He looked stunned at Davis reaction and comments.
post #65 of 77
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Originally Posted by TJBrk

He feels the Olympics should be about him, and not about Team USA. Period!!!!!!!!
BS. He's a speed skater. Speed skating is an individual sport (except the pursuit). Any competitor that is racing for an individual 1st place is NOT on a team. They are in fact, and by design, out for themselves - to be the fastest, to achieve the highest score, whatever. You really think Headrick cares about anyone elses success other than his own.......no. He was pissed off because he didn't get a gold in the pursuit.

He thought Davis would have been a good tool to use to get his gold. Save the Team USA Bull Sh*t for a team sport (hockey). It's not applicable to individual performances in individual events.

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Originally Posted by Yuki
Davis showed no class in the press conference. Seemed to be going pretty well, then he had to toss a shot.
Headrick sat there perplexed for damned near half a minute as Davis walked off. Basic comment was that as team captain, Davis never approached him and never communicated and left the team in a bind. He looked stunned at Davis reaction and comments.
You are projecting. The written report reads:
Hedrick snubbed his rival after Davis' victory in the 1,000 last week, going so far as to congratulate silver medalist Joey Cheek -- but not the American winner.
Then has Davis saying ""Shakes my hand when I lose. Typical Chad."

There's even more that goes with that. Both athetes let their personal hatred for each other spill over. Hedrick was not perplexed. He was thinking of his comeback to make sure he got the last word. He played the "Team" card. A bull sh#t move in an otherwise individual sport.

I don't like the undertone (meant or not) of the black athlete showing no class, while the white athlete is clean. From all reports, these two don't get along. They let that out in a press conference. To say one has class and one doesn't, is unfair to both.
post #66 of 77
Did you hear the comment Chad uttered under his breath before he started his response to Davis's public criticism of him?

"Typical Shani."
post #67 of 77
Thread Starter 
Sounds to me it's all about Chad not getting a gold in the team pursuit. I haven't heard any of the other teammates bitcch about it.

The dispute has them both looking like selfish atheletes and not teammates.

Of course, the nbc media is playing it to the hilt.

He said this what's your comment typs bull.
post #68 of 77

pity!

The paper published the whole "interview" this morning.

They both sounded like they need a few lessons in manners.
post #69 of 77
On CBC Chad said if the race was run again he was 95% certain that he or Shani would have won. He came across as a real jerk. The Italian winning the 1,500 was no fluke (he is ranked highly).

Maybe fisticuffs would be the best way to solve things. It would be entertaining at least.
post #70 of 77
1. Chad is a b*tch. And he's using "patriotism" to try to hide the fact that he's upset that he was totally dependent on someone he dislikes to win the pursuit gold.

2. Shani was looking out for his gold medal - what if he'd lost it because he'd out too much into pursuit? Then you all wouldn't be whining but you'd be out another gold.

3. NBC is terrible. They are playing this up constantly whereas it merits only a passing mention everywhere else.

4. Who has the bad reputation off-ice, Chad or Shani? Answer: Chad.
post #71 of 77
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Originally Posted by 270Bullet
BS. He's a speed skater. Speed skating is an individual sport (except the pursuit). Any competitor that is racing for an individual 1st place is NOT on a team. They are in fact, and by design, out for themselves - to be the fastest, to achieve the highest score, whatever. You really think Headrick cares about anyone elses success other than his own.......no. He was pissed off because he didn't get a gold in the pursuit.

He thought Davis would have been a good tool to use to get his gold. Save the Team USA Bull Sh*t for a team sport (hockey). It's not applicable to individual performances in individual events.



You are projecting. The written report reads:
Hedrick snubbed his rival after Davis' victory in the 1,000 last week, going so far as to congratulate silver medalist Joey Cheek -- but not the American winner.
Then has Davis saying ""Shakes my hand when I lose. Typical Chad."

There's even more that goes with that. Both athetes let their personal hatred for each other spill over. Hedrick was not perplexed. He was thinking of his comeback to make sure he got the last word. He played the "Team" card. A bull sh#t move in an otherwise individual sport.

I don't like the undertone (meant or not) of the black athlete showing no class, while the white athlete is clean. From all reports, these two don't get along. They let that out in a press conference. To say one has class and one doesn't, is unfair to both.
Ummmm......HELLO?!? This is the Olympics. Of course it's a team effort. Have you ever heard of TEAM USA? Everything about the Olympics and the Olympic Spirit is about being a team. If you don't think so, just read the Olympic Charter (if I knew how to post a link here I'd post it for you). And the TEAM persuit? If you think he wasn't ever planning to skate, then you haven't been reading all the reports, or listening to the comments from TEAM USA coaches. All were expecting Davis to skate the TEAM persuit, until four days prior when he informed them that he wouldn't be skating becuase he wanted to concentrate on HIS event. So yes, he let down his TEAM, who in fact was representing their country.

Golf is an individual sport. Do you think then that during the Ryder Cup that golfers are just there for themselves and not part of a team, and not representing their country?

Tennis is an individual sport. Do you think that during Davis Cup, tennis players are just out there to play a match for themselves?

Team USA Bullsh*t? What planet are you from?

Personally, I think they are both classless idiots. Davis' dissing of the TEAM, and his country, I take special exception though.
post #72 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lars
Sounds to me it's all about Chad not getting a gold in the team pursuit. I haven't heard any of the other teammates bitcch about it.

The dispute has them both looking like selfish atheletes and not teammates.

Of course, the nbc media is playing it to the hilt.

He said this what's your comment typs bull.
Actually, most of the other members or TEAM USA have bitched about Davis. Joey Cheek is about the only one that I haven't heard say anything detrimental, but he's suck a nice guy and class act, i wouldn't expect him to. Casey Fitzrandolph had many choice words for Davis, probably even harsher than Hedrick's. USA coaches have also laid into him. Your either need to do more TIVO'ing, or surf the web a bit more. Davis is no favorite among his teammates or coaches. If you guys wnat to like him and be an apologist for him, go for it. The facts are what they are.
post #73 of 77
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Originally Posted by Docjoque
Actually, most of the other members or TEAM USA have bitched about Davis. Joey Cheek is about the only one that I haven't heard say anything detrimental, but he's suck a nice guy and class act, i wouldn't expect him to. Casey Fitzrandolph had many choice words for Davis, probably even harsher than Hedrick's. USA coaches have also laid into him. Your either need to do more TIVO'ing, or surf the web a bit more. Davis is no favorite among his teammates or coaches. If you guys wnat to like him and be an apologist for him, go for it. The facts are what they are.
Thing is, speed skating is an individual sport, as are alpine racing, figure skating, luge, ski jumping, nordic combined, etc. And while there are a few events that force these individuals into a team situation (e.g. team sprints, team ski jumping), these athletes are used to having an individual dynamic.

Furthermore, in speed skating the whole "team unity" thing is a fa├žade put up for the Olympics and World Championships. Most of the time, these guys are on their own during the competition season. While they receive support from the U.S. Speed Skating Association, they aren't a "team" with regard to things like travel, training, lodging, etc. Even the U.S. Ski Team has more of a "team" aspect to it, even though they, too, are comeptitors in an individual mould.

So speed skaters like Davis and Hedrick normally don't have to deal with each other for prolonged periods of time, like the Olympic fortnight. Add to that the spectacle brewed up by the media, who try to make mountains out of molehills (e.g. this kind of tension happens all over the sporting world, in all sports). In this case, NBC chose to rub salt in the David-Hedrick situation - another case of the U.S. media trying to make the news, rather than report it.

Frankly, I don't buy into this false sense of "Team USA" that people glom onto for the Olympics. Yes, the USOC is giving all of these athletes a common uniform for ceremonies, but that's about it. Some are more beholden to the USOC because their sports don't enjoy the corporate sponsors of alpine skiing or figure skating, but that doesn't mean they subscribe to the whole "we're a team, all for one, one for all" manifesto.

These athletes go to the Olympics to perform in their sports: they know what works for them, and aren't likely to change their strategy to appease a false notion of "team" because that's what the media wants. So for Shani Davis, it means being a one-man-island, compatriots-be-damned racer. While it may not be the most attractive or media-savvy way to go about things, you can't deny that his abilities are formidable.

Just my $0.02 - your mileage may vary.
post #74 of 77
Don't you think they both act like 6 year olds?
post #75 of 77
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Originally Posted by Finndog
Don't you think they both act like 6 year olds?
I'm not denying that they do act like schoolkids - both Davis and Hedrick - but they also win hardware, both at the Olympics and at other competitions against world-class competition. While I may not approve of their antics, personally, you can't knock the fact that they get results. What they do works for them: it drives them, motivates them to do better, etc.
post #76 of 77
Davis called Hedrick out at that interview. It looks to me that Davis isn't willing to lay down for Hedrick. I say good for Shani for not taking any shi*, although he did drudge that up. Maybe he deserved it. Hedrick seems irritated that someone would have the nerve to "steal" his spotlight. His inflated ego can't take it.
post #77 of 77
hey Matt, did you get my PM?
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