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Shani Davis

post #1 of 77
Thread Starter 
There's a story huh?

Think there's something going on with the rest of the Olympic skating team?

I can't wait to read the complete story that will come out of this in a few months.

I think what the man has accomplished is one of the three best stories of the Olympics so far.

Anyone care to comment?
post #2 of 77
Sounds like there are two stories here. One, of individual accomplishment and the other of screwing the team. If he waited four days till the event and then decided to pull out.

I dated a girl like that once.

Once!
post #3 of 77
Here's more on the story for those not following it.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes
post #4 of 77
All the talk was about Chad Hedrick and HIS chance of 5 Golds.
Now it is about Team?
Bah, it is a ruse.
post #5 of 77
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Originally Posted by Yuki

I dated a girl like that once.

Once!
If "she" pulled out---that was no girl, Yuki!:
post #6 of 77

Bam ... Thud ...

Sound of Yuki hitting the ground.

Never saw the punch coming.
post #7 of 77
I wasn't in the room when they were trying to interview him, but heard some of the "lack of interview" given to the TV reporter. What was with that???? Anyone who saw the facial expressions, etc. have more info?
post #8 of 77
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Sounds like there are two stories here. One, of individual accomplishment and the other of screwing the team. If he waited four days till the event and then decided to pull out.

I dated a girl like that once.

Once!
Yuki, How did you find out she was "screwing the team"?:
post #9 of 77

all in the family?

Mom told me. Now leave my sister out of this.

Second punch .... is Yuki down for the count?
post #10 of 77
Hard to say why he has such animosity towards the rest of the US Team, but he is just screwing himself by giving interviews like he did last night. He'll never be able to bring in big dollar companies to represent if he comes across as a prick in front of the TV cameras.
post #11 of 77
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Originally Posted by sibhusky
I wasn't in the room when they were trying to interview him, but heard some of the "lack of interview" given to the TV reporter. What was with that???? Anyone who saw the facial expressions, etc. have more info?
He came across as a complete stiff with a lousy attitude and a massive "I don't owe anybody anything" chip on his shoulder. A disgraceful, yet telling "interview." He refused to even look at the woman interviewing him. Somebody ought to bust him one right in the kisser.
post #12 of 77
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Originally Posted by carvemeister
He came across as a complete stiff with a lousy attitude and a massive "I don't owe anybody anything" chip on his shoulder. A disgraceful, yet telling "interview." He refused to even look at the woman interviewing him. Somebody ought to bust him one right in the kisser.
Maybe the fact that he received numerous death threats before the race had something to do with his personality at the post race interview huh?

Countless emails calling him a nigger.

Non support from a teammate who was pissed because he didn't help him win a personal best five Gold Medals.

I'd cut the guy a break if I were you.
post #13 of 77
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Originally Posted by carvemeister
He came across as a complete stiff with a lousy attitude and a massive "I don't owe anybody anything" chip on his shoulder. A disgraceful, yet telling "interview." He refused to even look at the woman interviewing him. Somebody ought to bust him one right in the kisser.
Maybe he is just a skater, not a showman. It seems like NBC, with all of their excessive hype, is trying to promote their coverage in such a way that it tells the athletes that they are expected to perform and act in a certain way. The guy's job is to skate fast, not to give interviews and act charismatic, even though that is what NBC desires (it makes viewers "interested" who then tune in, and as a result, NBC makes more money!). If I were him and felt that way, I probably would have just said "I have nothing to say, thanks", as he did seem a bit rude.
post #14 of 77
Lars, I bet after that interview he's going to hear a few more names and threats. For people who weren't following the situation closely, weren't upset by his pulling out of the team event, and were excited/happy for him for winning, his childish and idiotic attitude during that interview was an immediate turn off. Pretty stupid, snubbing and pissing off his supporters.

Anyone else getting tired of American athletes with attitudes at these games?
post #15 of 77
And he has been having his Mommy fight his battles.

If he worked to get a place on the team and worked with the team only to wait till four days before the Olympics before backing out, that is poor form.

Indeed, he has talent, he has proven that. Any poor kid, black or white is going to have a rough time making into competition.

Still, I hope he is ready for a solo career. By showing a little class and giving an early heads up so the team could plan and develop, he may have driven a nail into his coffin.

The teams are known for chewing em' up and spitting em' out and if he is injured, where will they put their resources?
post #16 of 77
Baja,

You hit it right on the nail. All Shani had to do was smile be polite and answer a few dumb questions and he would have been setup for life. The idiot let his bitterness get to him and now i believe his chances of ever being picked up by companies for promotinal purposes are practically nill. Maybe it does not matter to him but i sure would not throw out the opportunity to make it easier on myself financiallly if i was in his position. Oh well, to each his own.
post #17 of 77
First let me confess that I don't know anything about Shani Davis other than having watched him skate in this Olympics last night. And I don't know anything about speed skating except that I think that the fastest skater in the finals, wins. However, I did see his NBC interview after his win last night.

Davis seemed obviously upset about something at the time of the interview. But he went there to skate his best not give the best interview. And skate to a win is what he did. Throughout their careers the Mahre brothers were criticized for being aloof from the rest of the USA ski team and ignoring the advice of their coaches. By most accounts Bill Johnson was not very likable. These traits did not detract from their accomplishments.

Being likable or pretending to and scoring new sponsors might be seen by some as worthy goals to be pursued. However, the Games are supposed to be about athletic accomplishment. Much of the rest is just part of the sideshow or opportunities that come with winning Medals. Of course, we would like our Medalists to be likable. However, the last time I checked "likability" was not an Olympic event.

As far as being viewed as part of the "team" or not, many Olympic teams are teams in name only. The nature of most sports in the Winter Olympics is highly individual and about individual accomplishment. Even "team" sports like Olympic hockey are cobbled together by some nations at the last minute from among various professional NHL players who have little opportunity to practice with their nation's "team" prior to the Olympics. Curling, luge and bobsled are the only true winter team sports that come immediately to mind.

Shawni Davis did not give a good interview last night. He may have lost some sponsorship opportunities. Janica Kostelic was quoted in the Seattle Times at the Combined post race news conference as being "bored and her voice lacking in inflection." "Ho-freaking hum" said the article of Kostelic's attitude about winning her historic fourth Olympic medal. Anja Pearson who won the Bronze was simply refereed to in the article as a "complainer". Complaining about the last minute shortening of the course for scheduling the race in bad conditions and in flat light. The nerve of a World Class athlete to bring those matters up.

Various media establishments at home and abroad created the celebrity surrounding these athletes. Some in the media, seem mostly disgruntled that the "Celebrity Athletes" are not performing like dancing bears, winning as predicted, or living up to the hype of others. I won't even start with Bode Miller...
post #18 of 77
Unlike alpine skiing there are true team efforts in things like relays or in that triple race Davis was to compete in.

His announcement four days prior to the competition that he would not compete in that event showed pure lack of team spirit. At that point, you scramble to find a sub who may have not been training for the event.

At that point, it's not about screwing that guy for his fifth medal, it is about the team.
post #19 of 77

Heard/read something different

I read that Davis, who was on the 2002 Olympic team but wasn't given the opportunity to skate, said two things: 1) he wasn't planning from word "Go" to race the team event, and it was sprung on him later; and 2) he didn't want to take away from the opportunity of the other guys to skate in the Olympics.

Who knows what the actual story is, but if the foregoing is true, then he's getting shafted due to Hedrick's hype/charisma, and suffering to the lack of his own charisma. He's not entirely without fault, but I'd cut the guy a break until I learned more...
post #20 of 77
I don't like him. Why would he pull out of the relay. Why would somebody NOT want another Olympic medal? Did he really hate the other guys so bad that he'd screw himself over just to piss them off? Sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.

Also, after he won the 1000, he was just skating around like "...yeah...that's right...I won. You gotta problem with that". He barely even cracked a smirk when he found out he won (and then only for a second). Then, in the interview afterwards he wouldn't look at the woman interviewing him OR at the camera. He was just sort of staring off into space on the left. Few of his answers to questions were more than 3 words long. Then, today in the medal ceremony he was just staring at his feet. It'd be nice if someone who was actually happy about winning won.
post #21 of 77
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Originally Posted by John J
All the talk was about Chad Hedrick and HIS chance of 5 Golds.
Now it is about Team?
Bah, it is a ruse.
post #22 of 77
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Originally Posted by carve
I don't like him. Why would he pull out of the relay. Why would somebody NOT want another Olympic medal? Did he really hate the other guys so bad that he'd screw himself over just to piss them off? Sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.
I think you are confusing a gold medal around his neck with a chip on his shoulder.

As for you other people who are calling him an idiot for not acting like an American Idol contestant during his interview: gathering as much money as possible at every turn is NOT the goal of everyone's life.
And it certainly isn't every Olympian's goal to turn their hard work, passion, and years of dedication into a chance to smile beside a corporate logo.
post #23 of 77
Awesome skater. Great race. Got the gold. Be happy for him ya petty flabby fools.
post #24 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lars
Maybe the fact that he received numerous death threats before the race had something to do with his personality at the post race interview huh?

Countless emails calling him a nigger.

Non support from a teammate who was pissed because he didn't help him win a personal best five Gold Medals.

I'd cut the guy a break if I were you.
The guy doesn't deserve a break! Have you seen any of his interviews prior to the Games? He's the same selfish, self-centered prick in those interviews (long before the Games), as he was after all the flap. I haven't met the guy, but I know of people who have, and one in particular who has worked closely with him, and none NONE, of them, have anything good to say about the guy. And don't even get me started on the mother!
post #25 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lostboy
First let me confess that I don't know anything about Shani Davis other than having watched him skate in this Olympics last night. And I don't know anything about speed skating except that I think that the fastest skater in the finals, wins. However, I did see his NBC interview after his win last night.

Davis seemed obviously upset about something at the time of the interview. But he went there to skate his best not give the best interview. And skate to a win is what he did. Throughout their careers the Mahre brothers were criticized for being aloof from the rest of the USA ski team and ignoring the advice of their coaches. By most accounts Bill Johnson was not very likable. These traits did not detract from their accomplishments.

Being likable or pretending to and scoring new sponsors might be seen by some as worthy goals to be pursued. However, the Games are supposed to be about athletic accomplishment. Much of the rest is just part of the sideshow or opportunities that come with winning Medals. Of course, we would like our Medalists to be likable. However, the last time I checked "likability" was not an Olympic event.

As far as being viewed as part of the "team" or not, many Olympic teams are teams in name only. The nature of most sports in the Winter Olympics is highly individual and about individual accomplishment. Even "team" sports like Olympic hockey are cobbled together by some nations at the last minute from among various professional NHL players who have little opportunity to practice with their nation's "team" prior to the Olympics. Curling, luge and bobsled are the only true winter team sports that come immediately to mind.

Shawni Davis did not give a good interview last night. He may have lost some sponsorship opportunities. Janica Kostelic was quoted in the Seattle Times at the Combined post race news conference as being "bored and her voice lacking in inflection." "Ho-freaking hum" said the article of Kostelic's attitude about winning her historic fourth Olympic medal. Anja Pearson who won the Bronze was simply refereed to in the article as a "complainer". Complaining about the last minute shortening of the course for scheduling the race in bad conditions and in flat light. The nerve of a World Class athlete to bring those matters up.

Various media establishments at home and abroad created the celebrity surrounding these athletes. Some in the media, seem mostly disgruntled that the "Celebrity Athletes" are not performing like dancing bears, winning as predicted, or living up to the hype of others. I won't even start with Bode Miller...
So I guess it's ok to be a prick, as long as you win?
post #26 of 77
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Originally Posted by carve
I don't like him. Why would he pull out of the relay. Why would somebody NOT want another Olympic medal? Did he really hate the other guys so bad that he'd screw himself over just to piss them off? Sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.

Also, after he won the 1000, he was just skating around like "...yeah...that's right...I won. You gotta problem with that". He barely even cracked a smirk when he found out he won (and then only for a second). Then, in the interview afterwards he wouldn't look at the woman interviewing him OR at the camera. He was just sort of staring off into space on the left. Few of his answers to questions were more than 3 words long. Then, today in the medal ceremony he was just staring at his feet. It'd be nice if someone who was actually happy about winning won.
Did you notice how he didn't invite the other guys up to the gold medal podium?
post #27 of 77
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
I think you are confusing a gold medal around his neck with a chip on his shoulder.

As for you other people who are calling him an idiot for not acting like an American Idol contestant during his interview: gathering as much money as possible at every turn is NOT the goal of everyone's life.
And it certainly isn't every Olympian's goal to turn their hard work, passion, and years of dedication into a chance to smile beside a corporate logo.
How about showing some FREAKIN RESPECT to the person interviewing you?!??!! Not to mention your teammates and your coaches. Are you people idiots? Why are you trying at all to defend him?
post #28 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lostboy
...Being likable or pretending to and scoring new sponsors might be seen by some as worthy goals to be pursued... Of course, we would like our Medalists to be likable. However, the last time I checked "likability" was not an Olympic event.
Please see the above. Likability is a fine quality to have but is not yet a requirement for winning an Olympic medal. Since many TV viewers, including myself, don't understand the nuances of many of the Winter Olympic Events, NBC seems to devote much of its coverage to personality profiles. The Games themselves are about athletic effort and accomplishment.
post #29 of 77

a fly in the buttermilk indeed

What a truly sad commentary on the state of race affairs STILL in this country that a young black man, inprobably involved in what is traditionally a lily-white sport, actually succeeds and is accused of not being friendly/team spirited/charming to the interviewer/whatever enough. he has had nothing but smears, has been called "nigger", been accused of not really deserving his place and so on and yet he has persevered.

His mother has sacrificed and dedicated her life to giving him this opportunity (and has been called numerous names for her efforts). The black 1950s tennis player Althea Gibson was called "ruthless" (what else would you be to win??)

This young man is nineteen, is disciplined, focused and at the top of his game, and whatever his detractors say, he won. He does not owe whiney nay-sayers any kind of explanation nor does he have to k$ss ass for sponsors. Is is quite possible his greatest aspiration is NOT to be the face on a wheaties box.

And yes, of course the Swiss woman Tanja Frieden "won" the snowcross! The turtle "won" the race, its whoever crosses the line first Having been around horse racing a while, many favorites stumble, run out of gas, whatever down the final stretch and here comes some steady runner from behind to win. That horse is definitely considered "the winner".
post #30 of 77
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Originally Posted by montana mags
What a truly sad commentary on the state of race affairs STILL in this country that a young black man, inprobably involved in what is traditionally a lily-white sport, actually succeeds and is accused of not being friendly/team spirited/charming to the interviewer/whatever enough. he has had nothing but smears, has been called "nigger", been accused of not really deserving his place and so on and yet he has persevered.

His mother has sacrificed and dedicated her life to giving him this opportunity (and has been called numerous names for her efforts). The black 1950s tennis player Althea Gibson was called "ruthless" (what else would you be to win??)

This young man is nineteen, is disciplined, focused and at the top of his game, and whatever his detractors say, he won. He does not owe whiney nay-sayers any kind of explanation nor does he have to k$ss ass for sponsors. Is is quite possible his greatest aspiration is NOT to be the face on a wheaties box.

And yes, of course the Swiss woman Tanja Frieden "won" the snowcross! The turtle "won" the race, its whoever crosses the line first Having been around horse racing a while, many favorites stumble, run out of gas, whatever down the final stretch and here comes some steady runner from behind to win. That horse is definitely considered "the winner".

Yes, a sad state of RACE affairs indeed. Everyone trashing Shani Davis for being black. Just like everyone is trashing that wonderful black skier, Bode Miller. All just because they are black.

There are a great number of parents that sacrificed a great deal for their children, but we choose to criticize Davis' mother because she is black. Just like we criticized Mary Pierce's dad, and Miriana Lucic's dad, and Alexandra Stevenson's mom, just because they are all black.

Those other black female tennis players were also called ruthless.....Monica Seles and Steffi Graf.

**Just in case you don't know, all the people I mentioned are Caucasion.

Oy Vay!
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