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Skiing on 15 yr old Olin's - Help me out guys

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
The other night while riding up the chair lift with a younger skier he looked at my ski's and said "Wow are those things long and skinny". I started thinking yeah but they still work fine for me. But I've decided it's time to replace my 1991 Olin's(205cm).

Where: I ski Wisconsin hills during the year with at least 1 trip out west per year.

Lvl/Experience: Level 9 maybe high 8. I lived in Breckenridge for 3 years after college and skied at least 90 days each of those years. Mostly pounding moguls and skiing powder.

I'm 6'1" , 230 lbs. Around here (WI) if I can find enough moguls to resemble a line I'll be in them all day otherwise I'm running the hill fast doing short snappy turns. I do like long carving turns but don't do it as much.

I haven't skied on a single pair of the new style ski's yet. I was hoping that you guys to add to my list of ski candidates. I have a few but I'm sure I'm missing some. I'd like to have a all mountain type ski that leans torward excelling in quick transitions and moguls.

Ross - Bandit B3's
K2 - Apache Recon
Dynastar - Legend 8000

Any other's? What size do you think matches up for me in the newer ski's? One of the salesman at the local store tried stearing me to the Volkl 724's - how are those? Lots of questions but I haven't looked at this stuff in a long time.

post #2 of 8
Well, you are skiing on 15 year old technology, and things have changed a lot. Your primary skiing in in the midwest with occasional western trips. Your fondness for moguls is a mystery given your size. You are a good candidate for a relatively stiff ski, and you want short radius turns. Bumps and carved short radius turns require very different skis. Most bump skis have less shape and carve long radius, so I assume you are doing Z turns or old school short swing. Your western trips require versatility and a width of 76+ in the waist.

Longer turn radius skis can carve or do skidded turns,and are generally better in bumps. They also float powder in a way you have never experienced. Just guessing, I get K2 apache outlaw in a 181 (124-88-111) or Volkl AC3 (116-74-102) in 184. There are a lot of other 18 -19 meter radius skis, but these should be interesting to you if you get a chance to try them out. You might even find the Volkl Karma (119-87-111) 22 meter radius works well for you. Since you have no experience on modern equipment, it would be better to demo and maybe take a lesson in modern carved turns. I know you are a 8-9 skier in old school, but there is a side of skiing you have never experienced. This advice coming from someone over 50. To get the most out of modern equipment, you are going to need to change a few things. Think of it as adding to your existing bag of tricks. Who knows, you could end up on an Atomic B5 super carver.
post #3 of 8
I went from old straight skis (in this case, not so old 1997 Olin DSNT) to K2 Axis X skis in 2004. They were good introductions to shape skis in the sense that they were very versatile (did a lot of things good), forgiving, and not too expensive. After 1.5 seasons on them, I found out I liked extreme carving on hard snow and got some Fischer RX-8. This season, I added Elan M666 to my collection gain more capability in ungroomed snow.

So my advice would be to either demo a lot of skis to figure out what you like, or pick a ski like the Axis X (called Apache more recently) that is very versatile and will help you explore/discover what you like about new-school skis. If you're like me, you won't know what you like to do until you get out there and experience the new skis.

Also, be ready to adjust your stance/style. New skis respond better to a wider, two-footed, athletic stance (which also feels more natural to me). I cringe when I think how I used to ski a tight parallel with noodle legs....
post #4 of 8
Buy the 8000's in 184cm.

To make a long story short, they'll be forgiving of your old school technique while you're learning, and will continue to perform well as you improve.
post #5 of 8
Try an SX11 or SXB5 for groomed runs for most turns on the groomed. Fischer WC (SC for short turns, RC for long), and RX8/ RX9 if you are forced to ski slowly at times.

I recently decided that my old 208 Super Gs were overkill for the small Ontario hills I get to ski, and to alleviate bordom I got some new-fangled short-turning skis. I ended up with a 13-m turn radius the Fischer WC SCs, thinking that I could always switch to the old skis when I wanted to go long. The SCs are a blast. They are realy great at short and medium turns at all speeds on groomed runs (basically all I've got here), but they always have to be turning. I miss that nice relaxed feeling going straight down the hill or making a really long arc at speed.
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply's guys. It should be interesting trying out the new ski's. Until this year I hadn't skied much the last few years.

Cirquerider - although I'm a big guy I'm athletic, My knee's will probably hate me for my love of the bumps some day, but for now I can't pass up the awesome feeling I get when pounding my ski's through the moguls.

I've decided I must go demo as many of these ski's as possible. I just came across some very good end of season deals and was itching to buy a new set of ski's.

The list grows for ski's to demo. Length I'm thinking 180 -190, anywhere in there should work.

Ross. -B3 Bandits
K2 -Apache Recons, Outlaw
Dynastar - Legend 8000
Volkl - AC3, Karma
Atomic - B5, M:11

Also I will be getting boots but may have to wait until next year because of limited availibility. Here's the list so far.

Nordica - Speedmaster 14 - Tried on the speedmaster 8's and they felt very good
Tecnica - Diablo magnesium
Dalbello - not sure which model but tried on one that felt good too soft though

This forum is awesome , you can never talk about skiing too much.
post #7 of 8
I hear you. I frequently ski with much younger skiers (or boarders) and they are usually ready to quit first. With that demo list, you will certainly find skis that are fun in the bumps, but can carve groomers like nothing you have ever experienced. The bigger tip and waist widths will also make powder more approachable for you.

Boots. I just got Nordica Hot Rods (flex 130) from SierraJim. I saw Speedmachine 14s in the store. If you know your size, you can order for 40% off now, which is a great deal, and they seem to have most sizes. Jim spent about 3-hours grinding, punching and stretching to get me in a full smaller size than anything I had been in previously. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do on the slopes.
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
I found a pair of 04/05 Nordica Beasts in my size. I have them on hold and the flex is rated 110 - 120 I think.

From what I gather the 04/05's are stiffer then the new beast 12's. Do any bigger guys out there have these boots? If so how are they? Do you feel like you over flex them?
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