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post #61 of 78
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Originally Posted by The Beekeeper
It's the same-Star Chute at Mammoth. The first picture does not give any sense of the real steepness. The trail is not only extremely steep, but is a long chute with serious consequences virtually the whole way down.
Obviously difficulty depends on snow conditions, but I've done both Star Chute and Hawaii 5-0 and have way more nightmares about Star.
i still haven't seen a chute in any of these pictures, just rocks and snow, can you guys post a proper shot?
post #62 of 78

Star chute from midstation

post #63 of 78
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Originally Posted by freeskinow
That doesn' look anything like pic 2 in post 52. Pic 2 does not have anywhere near the drop shown here.

In picture 2 where the skis are over the edge looking down, what is the distance of the drop in?

No question, a wild ride - and a good way to get hurt. Doesn't look as steep but looks hairry for sure.
Depth perception is scewed in this photo.


The line is Kiwi Flat. It's been miscalled Star Chute by many and is even called so in some publications. But hardcore Mammoth locals (I'm not one) will chastise anyone who calls Kiwi Flat, Star Chute. Star Chute is not visible from the bottom. It is only visible from Chair 12.

It is about an 8' drop to in Pic 1. Depending on time of year and snow conditons. Last year, in May, several people straightlined the entire thing without having to get any air a the entrance.

Pic 2 was taken where the little triangle bit of sunlight is - the little bit of sunlight on the right edge of this photo.


Looking straight down. You basically either jump in from the top, or where the above pic was taken is a 6' drop to a pocket, or edge into this upper slope, hop the rocks to the pocket below and then ski down. The entrance is the hardest part - well the exit can be difficult too. Here's a pic from right below the entrance looking back up. A differnt time of year though, so there's not as much snow on the entrance rocks.



Pic 1 of my original thread is the narrow chute in this photo:
The line threads down between the rocks that jut the furthest down hill, center of frame.
post #64 of 78
I can only think of a few places in the east (at a resort) that top 40 degrees: Hourglass Chute on Mt Mansfield (Stowe) and a couple of the chutes off the ridge at Jay.

Very little even hits 30.

I've skied Stratton. The steepest terrain there tops out around 20 degrees and not for very long.

Trees and ice make the east coast difficult, not steepness. You don't know steep until you go out west.

The steepest sustained pitch I've skied is probably one of the chutes to skier's left of Couloir Extreme at Whistler. If not that then Alta 1 at Jackson. I'm pretty sure the blow hole at Whistler is the steepest little section I've skied. I understand it can get to be 70 with the right wind and snowpack, but usually it's 55 to 60.
post #65 of 78
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Originally Posted by shmerham
I can only think of a few places in the east (at a resort) that top 40 degrees: Hourglass Chute on Mt Mansfield (Stowe) and a couple of the chutes off the ridge at Jay.

Very little even hits 30.

I've skied Stratton. The steepest terrain there tops out around 20 degrees and not for very long.

Trees and ice make the east coast difficult, not steepness. You don't know steep until you go out west.
Believe it or not, some of the steepest terrain on the East Coast can actually be found in NC at Sugar Mountain. Skier's right of Boulder Dash is 38 degrees, skier's left is 35 degrees. True the steepest section is only for 50 feet but hey, it's 38 degrees. Besides, many of the 50 degree plus sections being discussed here are of the same length. Whoopdeedoo is 35 degrees for a good sustained section up top before mellowing out to the low 30's. Depending on snowmaking, very short sections can drop off the top at 40 degrees.

I agree that the steepest resort skiing is found out West but it's nice to know that there is some steep terrain located in the South of all places.
post #66 of 78
The South does have some trails with sustained steeps (for instance Shays at Snowshoe) that compare well to sustained steeps I have skied in Vermont (Organgrinder at Sugarbush). But the only technical/steep terrain in the south seems to be under the chairlifts and is not billed as a trail. The same terrain at Mad River Glen would have ski traffic on it! With the higher elevations and rugged mountains in the South, we could actually support more advanced trails/terrain if there was a demand, and if somebody had the balls to do it.
post #67 of 78
goldsbar - Excitation is skiers left of the DD sign. Exhilaration is skiers right. You can cheat the cornice and drop in straight to Excitation but Exhiliartion the smallest section i could find to drop in was still a 10 footer.

Bullet - nice to see you posting some mammoth stuff.

stebed - its very hard to guess slope angles from the top - easier to guess from the side but the most accurate way to measure is when you're actually on it. Its got to do with parallax etc.
post #68 of 78
lower ovation at Killington, consistant steepness rare in the east.
Ripcord at Mt snow is right up there too.
post #69 of 78
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Originally Posted by freeskinow
That doesn' look anything like pic 2 in post 52. Pic 2 does not have anywhere near the drop shown here.

In picture 2 where the skis are over the edge looking down, what is the distance of the drop in?

No question, a wild ride - and a good way to get hurt. Doesn't look as steep but looks hairry for sure.
So you calling me a liar? Skiing Stump Alley or Broadway on a holiday weekend is a better way to hurt yourself. If it's beyond your ability, don't ski it. But don't be judgemental of those who do ski it. As far "doesn't look as steep" - as steep as what? The only thing I've skied that is "as steep" is the summit pitch on the North side of Mt. Whitney.

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Originally Posted by stebed
i still haven't seen a chute in any of these pictures, just rocks and snow, can you guys post a proper shot?
It's interesting that you don't see a line in any of my pics. What is a "proper" shot?

Ugh, why did I bother posting my pics?
post #70 of 78
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
Bullet - nice to see you posting some mammoth stuff.

Thanks LeeLau, your Whistler glacier tour shots inspired me. However, I think I'll go silent again for awhile. I'm not sure I'm enjoying the vibe.
post #71 of 78
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Originally Posted by 270Bullet
So you calling me a liar? Skiing Stump Alley or Broadway on a holiday weekend is a better way to hurt yourself. If it's beyond your ability, don't ski it. But don't be judgemental of those who do ski it. As far "doesn't look as steep" - as steep as what? The only thing I've skied that is "as steep" is the summit pitch on the North side of Mt. Whitney.



It's interesting that you don't see a line in any of my pics. What is a "proper" shot?

Ugh, why did I bother posting my pics?
I'm real glad to have the opportunity to see these shots. I just had some questions - trying to see how skiable it is. Picture #2 with skis looking down the chute, I can't get a feel for the initial drop in. Once you're in the rest seems easy in comparison.
post #72 of 78
Nothing looks easier than a couloir or chute photographed straight on the line. Reality hits very hard standing at the top and looking over the edge. These lines can literally give you vertigo. Photography eliminates all sense of height and depth perception on a steep line. That first step is a doozy, and it keeps going for 1200 vertical.
post #73 of 78
well bullet - you know and i know how tough it is to measure steepness. I play a little game with myself trying to guess slope angles and I usually underestimate when looking straight on at it and Id imagine its the same way for most ; there's some pretty funny epic threads about "Steep" slopes with posters saying that they've skied 55 - 65 degree slopes - i wouldn't take the comments too seriously
post #74 of 78
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
Exhilaration on Whistler is 55 degrees at the top for about 60 feet then mellows out to 45 with exposure of a 30 ft rock band for the top turns.
That run is SO fun, with a very thrilling mandatory air (only 5-8 feet) entrance when I skied it. I'd go back to Whistler to feel that alive again anytime.
post #75 of 78
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Originally Posted by powstash
That run is SO fun, with a very thrilling mandatory air (only 5-8 feet) entrance when I skied it. I'd go back to Whistler to feel that alive again anytime.
and i'd be honored to pull out couchspace for you mr K anytime and show you some bc stashes. Goes for you too Mr Bullet.

I leave you with this pic

post #76 of 78
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
well bullet - you know and i know how tough it is to measure steepness. I play a little game with myself trying to guess slope angles and I usually underestimate when looking straight on at it and Id imagine its the same way for most ; there's some pretty funny epic threads about "Steep" slopes with posters saying that they've skied 55 - 65 degree slopes -
Thanks LeeLau. I know what you mean. When I started carrying a inclinometer with me on some B/C trips, I was suprised to see how steep 38 degrees was. When we were on a measured, 60 degree slope, it felt almost vertical.
post #77 of 78
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
well bullet - - i wouldn't take the comments too seriously
Ah, no man. It's not that. I'm just finding the skiing vibe overall to be getting either too "bro brah" for me or too elitest (must carve perfect turn every time, snowboards suck, your skill level is #, mine is #+2, I'm better than you. ....that type stuff).

It's the same as it's been since the '70s. It really hasn't changed much in the past 20+ years, but I have. I'm searching for something else out of skiing now. I'm not finding the stoke for what I'm searching for on any of the boards.

That's what I mean by going silent. I've got to find that thing I'm missing. When I do, I'll let you know.
post #78 of 78
That's like on TGR when someone said your TRs were dickwaving. Ridiculous - i had someone on some boards say that i was flaunting my spare time by posting TRs - i just dont need that kind of grief. I do a lot of biking windsurfing and surfing in summer and that clears the brain. Also do a lot of trail work too which is really nice. I sure enjoy your TRs btw - its one of those things which are must-reads when i see you post
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