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post #91 of 105
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Originally Posted by segbrown
I also think she acted like an idiot under the circumstances. It's like celebrating a net cord winner in tennis -- you just don't do it, unless you're being silly.
Um, but you don't PLAY to hit the net cord, and hope the ball goes over, neither do you play hoping your opponent plays to hit the net cord. That's the difference. Lindsey PLAYED to hit the net cord, and she failed.
So, the Swiss girl won because someone else took a chance at doing something stupid (in terms of winning the race), and they didn't pull it off.
post #92 of 105

Is nationalism overemphasized?

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Originally Posted by stephenc
Oh my god. Seriously, just shut the f** up. Now.

Lets just go out and ski.
Look at what you posted. People have expressed their opinions on the issue of whether the Olympics are overly nationalistic, so unless you have some substance to add, you can always just ignore the thread and/or my posts.

You and the other personal attackers have gotta relax; it's just an internet forum. Tell you what, I'm ready to offer you an apology: if you guys want to hook up when I'm skiing Squaw in April, let me know & I'll buy a you guys a beer & we can talk about spring conditions, corn snow, or girls skiing in bikini tops, and completely leave out politics & any hard feelings.

If not, then that's cool, I'm still going to be there...
post #93 of 105
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
Um, but you don't PLAY to hit the net cord, and hope the ball goes over, neither do you play hoping your opponent plays to hit the net cord. That's the difference. Lindsey PLAYED to hit the net cord, and she failed.
So, the Swiss girl won because someone else took a chance at doing something stupid (in terms of winning the race), and they didn't pull it off.
You have a point, except you have it backwards. A net cord winner is a shot YOU make (but almost don't) and WIN, not lose, ie, it was Frieden's shot, not Lindsey's.

No, the analogy isn't exact, because in tennis, the losing player has nothing to do with the net cord. It's pure luck. Jacobellis DID have something to do with the result here.

I don't criticize Frieden for winning, at all. She totally did what she had to do. The reason Jacobellis was so far ahead was partly because others fell, as well. But the last-second stroke of luck, on Frieden's part, should have tempered her celebration. IN MY OPINION.
post #94 of 105
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
If it wasn't the Olympics I'd agree, but she is there to represent her country. The medal board doesn't have a total for "Lindsey Jacobellis", it has one for the USA.
Of course there is no shame in silver, but there should be shame in putting your personal desires ahead of everything else when you are there to represent your country.

She's said she wanted to impress her friends - impressing friends is not why her fellow citizens spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past 4 years. She had a mission and a duty, but failed because of selfishness.

She's young?
Not nearly so young as gymnasts, for example - and in all the Olympics I've watched I've not seen any gymnast add anything to the end of their program in order to impress their friends.

I'm not a competitive person in the least, but I can recognize reality.
And the reality of this situation is that, despite what she and other snowboarders think, she was not representing herself, she was not representing her sponsors, she was not representing her sport, she was not representing an attitude, she was representing her country.

OOOOHHHHHH! Oldschool, you're going to get it for that post! Especially from all those un-American posters out there. Don't get me wrong; I agree 100%. I'm just glad you said it before I did.
post #95 of 105
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Originally Posted by Rsknight1
Crazy outcome... who would of thought that that would happen? Jacobellis gets caught up in the moment and gives it away... and everyone knows who she is. The Swiss rider (that nobody names) goes on to win. I would bet that Lindsey is dissapointed with herself. The funny thing is, Tanja Frieden should be dissapointed, too. Like the earlier comment about the net cord winner, Frieden has the gold, but everyone knows that she really didn't "win" it. My 2ยข!
Fair enough. But 20 years from now, the record books are going to say Frieden, and there will be no asterisk next to her name.
post #96 of 105
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Originally Posted by jjdow
Dino,

The only response appropriate to your statement is: GO F#CK YOURSELF, @$$HOLE !!!
Give him a break. He's a liberal activist from San Francisco. We have to give someone with 3 strikes a break.

BTW, Dino, sorry for telling you to shut the f**k up earlier. I didn't realize you were so disadvantaged. LOL
post #97 of 105
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
More dead horse flogging...

http://www.nbcolympics.com/snowboard...10/detail.html

Back to reality:

1) The "stability" comment is a lame excuse.
2) She was showboating. It was a choice, it turned out badly, and she lost the gold. She made a mistake but people are human (and it makes things more interesting).
3) The choices made are relevent to the run.
4) The Swiss won fairly.
5) The basis of winning is focus. The showboating was an example of lack of focus and there was a real cost to the lack of focus.
6) The "counter culture" stuff is a lame excuse.
7) Her age is a lame excuse.
8) Winning a silver is pretty damn good.
9) The olympics are overly nationalistic.
10) The world will continue to exist and she'll (and everybody else) will get over it.
11) She's still cute.


Personally, I'm not really interested in the medal totals "nonsense". It is interesting watching people do cool stuff. In the olympics, that's the only thing that matters!
I agree with everything but #11. That's what the Olympics is about, from the very beginning. From the beginning of time, and also just from the beginning of the selection process of where they are going to be held. Three are a ton of other competitions that have nothing to do with Nationality. This is not one of them.

Golf is pretty nationality non-specific, but not when it comes to Ryder cup. Same for tennis and Davis Cup. I don't think you can become overly Nationalistic and patriotic during these events (as long as you're respectful of other Nations). Jingoism will always be present in these events. That's what makes them so much fun.
post #98 of 105

Now you gotta like that! Beers for Bears on Dino

Do I have to tell you to go F#$% before you by a beer for me too? If so, please go right ahead and ...no hard feelings, etc... . So when in April @Squaw!?

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Originally Posted by Dino
Look at what you posted. People have expressed their opinions on the issue of whether the Olympics are overly nationalistic, so unless you have some substance to add, you can always just ignore the thread and/or my posts.

You and the other personal attackers have gotta relax; it's just an internet forum. Tell you what, I'm ready to offer you an apology: if you guys want to hook up when I'm skiing Squaw in April, let me know & I'll buy a you guys a beer & we can talk about spring conditions, corn snow, or girls skiing in bikini tops, and completely leave out politics & any hard feelings.

If not, then that's cool, I'm still going to be there...
post #99 of 105

Too funny!

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Originally Posted by MJL48
So when in April @Squaw!?
Given the posts in this thread, April Fool's Day is totally appropriate. It all depends on when my mother in-law comes to town; that's when I'm heading up to Tahoe!

Man, this is one tough crowd; Jacobellis ain't no Belbin or even Bleiler, but she's cute. BTW: There will be cute women spring skiing in Tahoe, which always helps disadvantaged liberals from SF get over their hangovers after drinking too much good wine.

Even if there aren't a bevy of beauties, then there's usually some excellent smoke. Last time I rode in the Funitel, I was with two other people; a 19 y/o jibber and a 51 y/o cruiser, both of whom had really good product, or so they told me...
post #100 of 105
A main reason to compete in sports in the first place is simply to show off your athletic talents. All sports have an aesthetic element but especially races with jumps built in. Ever see motocross? EVERY SINGLE winner does a showboat move on the last jump when he has a big lead. Yes, those guys are great athletes even if they are not yet in the Olympic Games.

Larry Bird won more championships than Julius Erving, but who brought the house down, especially on the road. Try telling Dr. J there's no style points in basketball.
post #101 of 105
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Originally Posted by segbrown
You have a point, except you have it backwards. A net cord winner is a shot YOU make (but almost don't) and WIN, not lose, ie, it was Frieden's shot, not Lindsey's.
But you can also LOSE a match by a net cord loss - the ball falls back in your court.
I see no reason why the swiss girl should have been tempered in her celebration. She raced, she crossed the line first, she didn;t make a fool of herself by showboating. Jacobellis already had her celebration - stupidly it was way before she crossed the line. She was then passed, because she had slowed down. So, the faster boarder, over the length of the course, won the race, and had the right to celebrate as much as possible. In fact, I think she should have runned Jacobellis's nose in it while she was there, for that was what was deserved!
post #102 of 105
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Originally Posted by skiii
All sports have an aesthetic element but especially races with jumps built in....
True, at least to a point. But the gestalt changes the minute your showboating makes you lose the contest:

- Football player who spikes the ball and does an elaborate dance routine after crossing the goal line: it's a matter of aesthetics and personal values whether he's an idiot or a fun character.

- Football player who spikes the ball and does an elaborate dance routine after crossing the 5-yard line: he's just an idiot.

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Larry Bird won more championships than Julius Erving, but who brought the house down, especially on the road. Try telling Dr. J there's no style points in basketball.
Consider, rather, the player who gets the ball on a solo fast break, goes up for an elaborate spinning dunk, and bounces the ball off the front of the rim so hard it comes down at midcourt.
post #103 of 105
I am considering the missed dunk. Again, I'm sure Erving missed a lot more than Bird. If there were no spectacular dunks, basketball would be much less entertaining. Spectacular by definition implies risk of failure and embarrassment. Of course, if the championship is on the line, a lay-up is preferred, But Jacobellis obviously assumed the race was not on line. Not a big deal, really.
post #104 of 105
I think people need to calm the hell down. It's a stupid kid in a stupid event in these "Olympic" games, which, from the U.S. point of view, is nothing more than a huge corporate publicity stunt.

Winning gold doesn't really get you anything anyway, other than bragging rights and a nice paper weight. And if you are so unpatriotic that you need some guy to win some stupid medal in order to feel good about your country and have something to celebrate, then your country seriously sucks.

Being super-proud that your country is good at generating people who can slide really fast down a snow-covered mountain is pretty shallow. But I guess people love to compare themselves to everyone else in everything all the time, so it kinda goes along with human nature. Let the games begin!
post #105 of 105
She owes the American people an apology
She is there to represent her country in the Olympics, an to do her best not screw around and show off which put her flat on her butt
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