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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I bought them used in '86/'87. I have no idea how old they were when I got them. That is the challenge.

1) Used Rossignol rentals from Killington. Maybe cobras or vipers, but that's all under bumper stickers and ski saver so I really don't know the model. The main question is, how long would a mountain like Killington typically use a fleet of rentals before doing a clean sweep and replace the entire lot? (I bought them in a hotel sale in Albany for $20 and had to sign a waiver acknowledging that the bindings needed to be replaced - I think they had leashes!)

2) Typical boring old-ski graphics. Black with a thin dark blue and light blue stripe. The bases are light blue with a white circle and a script R under the tip. The tips of the topsheets also have a rooster.

3) Here's another big clue, there's a 1/4" channel down the middle of the base - when did manufacturers stop making channels in the bases?

tick tock tick tock...
post #2 of 12
I don't know much about the age of the skis, but I can tell you that the base groove will not necessarily help you date the skis - I had a pair of Volkl's bought in about 1993 that had a base groove, so that particular feature was used for a long time after your skis were made.
post #3 of 12
Most places the size of Killington would be replacing at least a fourth of the rental inventory every year. So you rarely should see anything more than four seasons old unless it's something "special" like the 220 DH skis the rental department at the area where I used to work kept for laughs.

In your case, the hotel may well have purchased the skis used from Killington to supply to house guests. Many rental ski "names" are not the same as the standard retail shop skis.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks Kneale, so they could possibly be from around '82. That seems to make sense...
post #5 of 12
They might be mid 70's , can't remember the name (maybe salto) but there was a pair of black rossi's in the family around then . What binding's on them ? And doesn't the rossi bird look more like a turkey than a rooster?
post #6 of 12
Back in my earlier days of skiing, we were told that skis with the grove down the center were for beginners and low intermediates. I don't know how true this was or not, but I thought that I would throw it out there for comment. Also, does anyone know what the purpose of this grove was?
post #7 of 12
skierteach, not as far as I know. Back in the day, all skis had grooves. I once used skis with three (two at the tail, one at the front, none under foot). They were intended to stabilize the skis at speed and/or break up surface tension at the ski/snow boundary.

High-end skis still had grooves in the late 80s/early 90s.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
For skis that now seem anywhere between 25 and 30 years old, they are surprisingly okay (as rock skis). The original bindings were silver metal with leashes. Now they're on their 3rd and likely final set of bindings.
post #9 of 12
You definitely need some neon to go with those skis.
It was good meeting and skiing with you today. Looking forward to skiing with you again.
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hi Bill - I was sooo exhausted by 1:00. You never truly appreciate the new skis until you go back in time for just one day...all those rotary movements - whew!

I could've skied my Volants yesterday, the coverage was fine, but at least I satisfied my curiosity.. I think for now on, I'll ditch the rock skis, carve up the soft snow on my good skis (b/c I had to skip the moguls yesterday and that bummed me out) and just pay for the occasional p-tex [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #11 of 12
Skierteach and ssh,

The grooves in the skis are for speed... they are designed to help channel water down the ski as the ski heats the snow. It took a while, but ski companies figured out that downhill skis, on average, move over the snow too quickly to really benefit from this technology. However, if you look at nordic skis, they still all have this... it's literally called a speed groove.
post #12 of 12
So far as I can tell, they could really have been pretty much made anytime (though obviously not before you bought them in '86/'87).

I don't think Rossignol got into the whole cobra/viper/bandit/etc. naming scheme until well after that. Not that that has much to do with your question.

I don't remember when bindings started coming with brakes (instead of safety straps -- the more common name for the leashes you're referring to). I have an old pair of K2 710s c. 1977 with brakes, but they were big honking add-ons, rather than part of the binding. That could be a clue to the age of your skis though, as the integrated brake-in-the-heelpiece would have come in around the the time you got them.

Light blue bases were a Rossignol trademark for many years (as, of course, were the script "R" and the French coq). You'll see those on Rossignol Stratos from the '60s.

Grooves (the standard word for your "channel") were on all skis until, I think, after the date you bought those (on some models, 'til years after). The first skis I ever had without grooves were Rossignol 7Gs from 1991 (I think). It seemed really weird to me not to have a groove. Actually, it still does, a little.

I can't say what the ski designers thought grooves were for (probably skis just always had 'em), or why they got the idea they could get rid of them. Historically, they went away about the same time (or a bit after) the ski makers started rethinking bases in a number of ways: sintered PTex, structure, etc. It seemed (and seems) to me that grooved skis had more directional stability when running straight. That could be something else, I suppose (less camber, base edge bevel, etc.)
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