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Jay Peak or Whiteface

post #1 of 18
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I am planning a long weekend ski trip in early March. I am mostly interested in bumps, glades, and steeps. What would be a great place to ski in the Northeast? I was thinking either Jay Peak, which is currently 100% open; Or going to Whiteface. I have never been to either mountain. For reference, Mount Snow is the best mountain I have been to in the northeast and I enjoy their expert terrain.
post #2 of 18
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snow

Ok so I did some research and apparently Jay Peak gets on average about twice as much snow as Whiteface. Now I know why Whiteface is not talked about that much. Why is there such a huge difference in snowfall?
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by XRC800
Ok so I did some research and apparently Jay Peak gets on average about twice as much snow as Whiteface. Now I know why Whiteface is not talked about that much. Why is there such a huge difference in snowfall?
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post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by XRC800
Ok so I did some research and apparently Jay Peak gets on average about twice as much snow as Whiteface. Now I know why Whiteface is not talked about that much. Why is there such a huge difference in snowfall?
Whiteface is owned by the State of New York and natural snow is not in the budget
post #5 of 18
New York is too busy sending its snow to the Catskills and Central Park.

Thatsagirl
post #6 of 18
One reason why Jay gets so much more snow is that the exagerate their totals. I was there last year in late March, and was completely unimpressed. They still had decent amounts but nowhere near the 300"+ they quote. I was way more impressed this winter on my first run to Mt Ste Anne and Le Massif. They quote less snowfall, but touring the streets (and the hills) tells a way different story. There's so much more snow up there.

To answer your question, for steeps go to Whiteface, for trees go to Jay and for bumps I'm not sure, I stay away from them. However, Lake Placid is way cooler than Northern Vermont. So I say go to Whiteface.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by loboskis
Whiteface is owned by the State of New York and natural snow is not in the budget
post #8 of 18
If you want to ski the trees go to Jay, its not even a fair comparison to Whiteface if you are looking at that aspect. If you want night life or apres skis then Lake Placid/ Whiteface will win out over Jay. Best bet go to Jay for a day or two then go down to Stowe for skiing and quaint village atmosphere/ night life
post #9 of 18
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One reason why Jay gets so much more snow is that the exagerate their totals.
this may be true, but they still get more snow than any where else in new england or eastern NY. jay is definitely the better choice for glades and the best chance for powder. without powder and trees, jay isn't much to write home about but but they do have some big mean bumps. whiteface would likely be better for steeps.
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe
One reason why Jay gets so much more snow is that the exagerate their totals. I was there last year in late March, and was completely unimpressed. They still had decent amounts but nowhere near the 300"+ they quote.
You're right, they sometimes exaggerate, but that 300"+ is total snowfall, and doesn't take into account thaws, melts, etc. You need to look at the settled base figure to know how much snow is on the mountain. It is this way with ALL resorts. Look at reports for Le Massif (which does tend to get lots of snow) and MSA, and they list those two different totals and there is a huge difference between them. Unfortunately for the East, because of our weather cycles, it's very rare that the resorts retain the bulk of the seasonal snowfall. Heck, Snowbird will report 500" but there is not that much on the mountain, there may be 180" on the mountain. Today's report at Snowbird says 351" to date, base of 119". It's just not as noticeable in the West as it is in the East to have less on the mountain than the total snowfall figure.

I think the only recent year the resorts in the East retained most of their snow was 2000/01, when Jay got 571 inches of snow (and most others got in the high 400s). No one questioned that snowfall, you could tell they had to dig out the trail signs and dig out the chairlifts. We have pictures of us standing on our skis on top of buried trail signs!

Thatsagirl
post #11 of 18
Whiteface generally does not get as much snow as Jay. Last March I skied 2 days at Whiteface and then drove to Jay and the conditions were like night and day. Hard and icy, mostly groomed flat at Whiteface vs, powder and bumps with 3- 8 inches of snow falling every night of our stay at Jay. Whiteface is tall and narrow and not a bad mountain, plus the town of Lake Placid is a lot of fun. Jay is broad, not as tall, more variety in terrain, zero nightlife. Either would be fun for a long weekend and a big step up from Mt. Snow.
post #12 of 18
I'm a big fan of Whiteface and a season pass holder (technically) but I would go to Jay. Jay's been getting lots of lake effect recently, and may have even survived this last rainstorm in relatively good shape. Whiteface, however, hasn't picked up as much snow, and will probably be in pretty rough shape by the time early march comes around.
post #13 of 18
I'd go to Jay. Best tree skiing anywhere.

Anywhere.
post #14 of 18
Ill be at Jay First wknd in March. Ive never skied there and I got the bug. Also "had to" go out west soon, so that is in the mix for the next week/weekend. My friends tell me the expert "glades" at Mount Snow are sorta like Jay Peak. Except Jay's have more snow, more area, and longer runs. So I guess nothing like Mount Snow.
post #15 of 18
I'm posting from my daughter's apartment in Plattsburgh-we'll be skiing Whiteface tommorrow and then over to Jay for next week. I'm thinking Whiteface may be "Iceface" given the temp swings, but she won tickets from the TV station where she works, and my SL11s are good and sharp! Hope Jay continues to get some snow-can't wait to get into the trees and glades!
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by John V.
I'm posting from my daughter's apartment in Plattsburgh-we'll be skiing Whiteface tommorrow and then over to Jay for next week. I'm thinking Whiteface may be "Iceface" given the temp swings, but she won tickets from the TV station where she works, and my SL11s are good and sharp! Hope Jay continues to get some snow-can't wait to get into the trees and glades!
You probably guessed right. There are lots of good bars in Lake Placid.
post #17 of 18
Great post. Trying to choose between the two for a mid-March 3 day trip. I figure by that point we will likely be skiing groomed base (family trip) but would like the possibility of getting some snow. From what has been posted here, it sounds like Jay would be the best bet. I was at Jay after Christmas for a week and their were some wet days but to their credit Jay did a reasonable job of keeping the groomers from becoming ice fields. Placid is appealling for the non-skiing spouse but if it is likely to be low on snow and lots of ice, it's not worth it.

The extra 2 hours to Le Massif to get better snow is tempting. Instead of the big rain we got in Ottawa last Thursday/Friday Le Massif got 58 cm (about 2 feet) of snow.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Thatsagirl
I think the only recent year the resorts in the East retained most of their snow was 2000/01, when Jay got 571 inches of snow (and most others got in the high 400s). No one questioned that snowfall, you could tell they had to dig out the trail signs and dig out the chairlifts. We have pictures of us standing on our skis on top of buried trail signs!

Thatsagirl
Now 2000/2001 was a snow yearat Jay! I remember some of the glades were almost unskiable because the tree canopy was only 4 to 5 feet off of the snow. Some trees looked like bushes sticking out of the snow. Sigh, we could use some of the snow this year.
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