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MA-Shmedium radius open parallel turns

post #1 of 28
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video

Since I'm at it ...

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post #2 of 28
Nicely done! Would say more but I'm off to work.
post #3 of 28
In a perfect dchan-skiing world, how would these turns look? If you had to pick something to change what would it be? They look like very good demo turns, but I am wondering what the demo looks like to compare them to... Also, is this your usual groomer turn, or is this for demo purposes only?
Later
GREG
post #4 of 28
I would like to see you in freeski GS speed mode.
Just having fun.
It could be informative.
Instructor mode is control control
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
This is steeper and crudier than I would take a student working to get to open parallel turns (from advanced wedge christies) but this is what we had to work on. They were to be "demo quality" turns and we were supposed to think that we had a student on our tail or were skiing towards and past a student.

They were supposed to be not too hot and not too flat.. Kind of in between.

What would I fix? I'm keeping that a secret for now..

DC
post #6 of 28
Nice turns. I ain't got a silver pin yet but for my own MA practice--

Nice rhythm and flui, nice round shape, nice movement, nice upper-lower body separation, accurate pole touch.

If I were to fix anything.

On the first few turns, it looks like you kinda let your hips come back and insid eand push the skis down the hill just a teeny tiny tad. Maybe try to start you upper body flowing into the next turn just a tad earier before you've quite finished the turn you are in. It might also be that your hips are rotating a little bit more with your upperbody on your right turn.

On your pole touch, a lot of wrist flick but maybe you could start it with some extention starting from your back and working up thru your shoulder to your hand.
post #7 of 28
Dchan -

I am not an instructor and I am not a follower of PMTS. (In fact I have never read Harold's books, just perused his website) That being said, I'm wondering if this is the direction of PSIA skiing? I'm at about your ability, and I am trying to eliminate the up movement and engage my edges earlier in the turn - a la HH. I see the same thing in your other post in the crud: too much up movement and not enough down the hill/ early edge. I'm not saying everyone (or anyone) can do an HH pure carved turn with Crossmax 10s and that turn radius, I'm just saying his notions of early edge, little up movement and less foot steering before the fall line are something to think about.

Like I said, I'm not an instructor, but that's what I'm working on in my skiing. Maybe the brain trust here can chime in and tell me if I'm on the wrong track. Wouldn't be the first time.

Greg.
post #8 of 28
Non-instructor perspective:

Your stance width looks so much better and more natural in this video, as opposed to the crud and mogul videos. I wouldn't describe your stance as narrow, but its not the forced wide look you have in the other videos. In the crud video it looks like you're expending a lot of effort and fighting the snow, here you look smooth and effortless. The wide stance in the crud and bump videos looks forced and robotic to me, definitely not dynamic. Here you're gliding, the others it looks like your muscling through the turns. You look like a totally different (& far better) skier in this one. Why not take these turns into the crud?

I'm sure thats no help at all but I'm curious if I'm the only one who feels this way.
post #9 of 28
My take on the vids is that because dchan always skis with the heel-push, he can't do that as well on varied snow. Carved turns look the same in any snow. Skidded turns cannot because the snow has to be pushed away as the skis skid. The twist, skid, and push is also very hard on the knees.

Greg, try for no up movement in the turn at all. Put weight on the little toe edge of the old uphill ski, retract the old downhill leg at the same time as you pull the foot back under the hips, tilt the arch of the foot upward, and bring the foot close to the other leg. No steering. You'll be making very smooth turns that work in all snow conditions. For a drill, lift the new inside foot off the snow as you pull the foot back and lift the arch. After the drill, keep up to 50% of your weight on the new inside ski in deep snow, and less weight on packed snow. Be sure to keep the hips uphill and the shoulders tilted downhill for angulation of the skis on the snow. As you improve, move the hips across the skis earlier and earlier in the turn until you are actually showing the bases of your skis to someone uphill from you. But---the foot action is always first. Don't focus on other parts of the body and forget proper foot movements.


Ken
post #10 of 28
Too many Gregs in this thread... I'll go by Heluva from here on out.
post #11 of 28
Ken,

Are you suggesting that his problem is that he is not making a PMTS style turn? You seem to be handing out that sort of advice at every opportunity. What gives?
post #12 of 28
Learn the ways of the dark side and you will possess powers that some consider to be un-natural...
post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 
actually SSG (ken) is going on my ignore list.

I don't think I was "heel pushing" but guiding the skis through a scarved turn..

As far as my crud skiing looking "muscled" that's probably true.. I don't have all the balance, skills and miles to make it look easy. YET. Those ESA Coaches are something else..

BUT In my defense, I'd like to see video of many of you, ski that same steep crud hill on a pair of 65mm waist, 14M radius carving skis. Remember, steep/deep/heavy/crud. I know some of you can but it's not that easy.

As far as being able to carve these shmedium radius turns (more like scarve) on Crossmax 10's Yes I probably could to it pretty well. That was not the task put before us.

DC
post #14 of 28
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and for the record,

Here's another video. Same pitch and conditions, better skiing, different skier..

Video
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by dchan
As far as my crud skiing looking "muscled" that's probably true.. I don't have all the balance, skills and miles to make it look easy. YET. Those ESA Coaches are something else..

BUT In my defense, I'd like to see video of many of you, ski that same steep crud hill on a pair of 65mm waist, 14M radius carving skis. Remember, steep/deep/heavy/crud. I know some of you can but it's not that easy.
You're right, it's not so simple when you don't have balance fully together. And that's the essential difference between your turns and jims -- his balance is better. Simple as that.

It's also why -- (dchan, I'm being nit-picky here, no disrespect intended -- the skiing *is* good!)

1) the range of your movements is smaller -- a bit static
2) your steering can be mistaken for heel pushing -- the rotational axis of the ski is not directly mid-foot.
3) Your pole plants happen when still in the previous turn, and as you reach forward, the butt moves back.
4) you rush through neutral to the new set of edges.

Refining all 4 of those elements depend on a completely balanced, centered stance. That's what I'd work on first -- refining the stance.

Don't forget the dryland drill where you stand on two sheets of paper and rotate the femurs! That'll help a lot with getting the balance point and rotational axis aligned mid-foot.

And don't forget to wedge from time to time to check if your really settled over the balance point!

Hope that helps, and thanks for posting the video !
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by dchan
and for the record,

Here's another video. Same pitch and conditions, better skiing, different skier..

Video
Better, you think? Shapely, they are. But.....

Left turns have sequential edge change from launching off the uphill ski. Right turns are hard to see from the angle, but some appear to have the outside ski wandering off.....

and did you catch that annoying little tail thumping? Rabbits on skis - what's next?
post #17 of 28
What caused the tail thumping?

Greg II (How's that Helluva?)
post #18 of 28
Hmmmm, Greg II works I suppose.

I know what causes tail thumping (and yes I did notice it).
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by dchan
BUT In my defense, I'd like to see video of many of you, ski that same steep crud hill on a pair of 65mm waist, 14M radius carving skis. Remember, steep/deep/heavy/crud. DC
Noooo thanks. Theres a reason why no one out west skis on skis like that anymore. Give the Nordica Nitrous a demo, I bet you'd love it.


No comment on the change in stance width? I just found it odd you went with a narrower stance on packed snow and a wider stance in crud and bumps - the opposite of what you'd expect. I just think the wide stance in the other two videos looks contrived. You look so much smoother and balanced in this video, I dont think conditions account for the entire difference.
post #20 of 28
The wider stance in the other video was a result of not having a long leg and a short leg, stacking too much, and putting weight on the inside ski by leaning into the hill. It looked like it was a result of not being comfortable in the snow versus conciously adjusting technique. I have seen other video of DC here, and this stance is more representative of what I usually see.

dchan, would it be possible for you to get some good video of you carving down a groomer in medium to tight turns? I know these demo's are helping you with your L3 but I think if we saw you skiing at the higher end of your ability spectrum, demonstrating what you're actually capable of it would be easier to pinpoint areas to improve, versus tweaking instructor turns all the time... tweaking the instructor turn doesn't really tweak YOUR skiing.

Later

GREG
post #21 of 28
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biggest problem is finding someone to video me when we are just out having fun..

Most of the time I'm the video person
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Matter
Noooo thanks.
How about on fatter skis! I still don't see a whole lot of the "MA experts" putting up much video of themselves. (not talking about the examiners and trainers however I'd love to have some reference videos)

Again. Deep Steep chopped up wet crud..

DC
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by dchan
biggest problem is finding someone to video me when we are just out having fun..

Most of the time I'm the video person
Tell them it is for a higher cause than just your personal use. Don't ask them... tell them...

Later

GREG
post #24 of 28
Video

BTW; is the link you provided how you want to ski?
post #25 of 28
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actually SSG (ken) is going on my ignore list.
Your choice, of course, but why not keep an open mind?
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you, ski that same steep crud hill on a pair of 65mm waist, 14M radius carving skis. Remember, steep/deep/heavy/crud. I know some of you can but it's not that easy.
I use 66 mm waist, 12.1 m radius skis, I'm a West Coast Cascade concrete skier, and it is easy. You just need a different skiing paradigm.


Ken
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Video

BTW; is the link you provided how you want to ski?
Not necessarily. I just know I can do it better and Jim (an ex-dteam and examiner) should be doing it better than I. I really didn't take a careful look and maybe some of his "bad habits" were showing through in that particular clip.
post #27 of 28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Tell them it is for a higher cause than just your personal use. Don't ask them... tell them...

Later

GREG
Yeah, I know. Most of the people I ski with can't hold the camera steady enough to get a decent video though. I'll keep trying..
post #28 of 28
I might suggest fully releasing the old turn before trying to start the new one. For both skiers.
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