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post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
NBC commentator on watching a failed pass attempt to qualify in womans short track 500m: "Wow, If I were her, I would have been aggressive and executed! She had her chance at a medal and blew it!"

Must be nice and warm up there in his commentator's booth, if he is even watching the event live and not just voicing over footage AFTER the fact. Imagine all the nights the athlete he was referring to was on the ice with sagging, tired, lactic acid filled legs making cross-over turns around an icy oval and that he spent sitting in front of his TV eating dorritoes and knocking back cans of bud light, and he can say what HE would have done? You know what HE would have done if he were down there? HE would have had his butt handed to him by women with blades.

I am definatly NOT into hero-worshiping sports stars but many of these comentators simply have no respect for these athletes.

BTW I changed my paragraph which negates the need for the spoiler warning but I can't change my subject line.
post #2 of 31
totally agree....f the media
post #3 of 31
This is the most dumbed-down coverage I've ever seen. They'd rather show heart-warming footage of the athletes families (see! they have families! Aren't you better for knowing that? meanwhile you've missed most of the actual SPORT) rather than the Olympics.
I'm sitting up waiting for the Men's Moguls finals. I've already seen the winning run here on the net, and they showed the lead ups hours ago.
But beware. The dreaded figure skating threatens.
post #4 of 31

I heard an even dumber thing..

I think this was Bob Costas comment on a little spot about womens DH crashes which went something like this.. after yada yada yada the women raced in a new course and maybe they didnt know what they were getting into.. I am thinking.. dude were you ever on dh skis on a course that looked bumpy as hell and competed?...
post #5 of 31
Thread Starter 
Ant: The mens moguls were cool, interesting to see the diversity in the airs that are thrown. some people are throwin MASSIVE twisted inverts, similar to old school aerials, while others are going with helis and straight crossed invert, everyone is doing different stuff, great to see.

ALSO watching short track has got to be one of the highlights of my olympic viewing. Really exciting stuff.

Too bad we have to deal with the ridiculous voiceovers. I think I could do without them entirely and just hear audio from mic's placed along the course so we can hear the *snik* of the skates, the *swish* of the skis, and the *shhh shhh shhh* of the curler's brooms...

Coug: I heard that same thing during the coverage, my thoughts were very similar. I would almost describe it as sounding... arrogant on his part.
post #6 of 31
While I generally agree with what you're saying, I'm going to go against the grain in this particular case. I was saying similar things right before the commentator said it (but I didn't say it in an "I woulda'" sort of way).

She totally had that pass, and then she let the woman she just passed right back in, as though she were doing here a faovr. That was it- end of story for her. If she had held the ground she had rightfully earned, the very WORST that would have happened is she would've been disqualified after the race, or crash out. Either way, she'd be in no worse of a position than she is in now. At best, she had a chance of getting a medal. Sorry, but she blew it.
post #7 of 31
I heard some NBC moron remark that some figure skaters who had fallen and got up and continued had already won "their own personal Olympic medals" for 'courage'.

*vomit*

As it turned out, I think those skaters won a real medal. (?!)
post #8 of 31
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I think this was Bob Costas comment on a little spot about womens DH crashes which went something like this.. after yada yada yada the women raced in a new course and maybe they didnt know what they were getting into.. I am thinking.. dude were you ever on dh skis on a course that looked bumpy as hell and competed?...
Well, the "yada yada yada" part is kind of important. He said that the women asked that the course be made more difficult. His statement makes more sense when the ommission is included (I'm not saying that I agree with it).

(Women dwnhill skiers are hot.)
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by atomic_ski_bum
NBC commentator on watching a failed pass attempt to qualify in womans short track 500m: "Wow, If I were her, I would have been aggressive and executed! She had her chance at a medal and blew it!"

Must be nice and warm up there in his commentator's booth, if he is even watching the event live and not just voicing over footage AFTER the fact. Imagine all the nights the athlete he was referring to was on the ice with sagging, tired, lactic acid filled legs making cross-over turns around an icy oval and that he spent sitting in front of his TV eating dorritoes and knocking back cans of bud light, and he can say what HE would have done? You know what HE would have done if he were down there? HE would have had his butt handed to him by women with blades.

I am definatly NOT into hero-worshiping sports stars but many of these comentators simply have no respect for these athletes.
I totally agree . There's been some assinine commentary.
post #10 of 31
They won a silver. As allowed by the rules they were allowed to pick up the program after a couple of minutes. Nasty fall on a throw qued. ie. Big partner spins her through the air like a Battling Top and she took a nasty fall when trying to land it. She shook it off, got her wind back, and finished the program well - impressive but hardly heroic.

Loved the TV guys going on about Apollo's skates and how he has been tweaking them since he went out in the 1500. Zero mention that it was a qualifer, he was in 2nd with no threat to his qualifying position, but for some reason he decided to try to take 1st in the last lap. Why take a risk in short track if you don't need to. No medals for 1st in qualifying, or that kind of maudlin reporting.
post #11 of 31
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Well, the "yada yada yada" part is kind of important. He said that the women asked that the course be made more difficult. His statement makes more sense when the ommission is included (I'm not saying that I agree with it).

(Women dwnhill skiers are hot.)
I know but that course looked pretty horrible overall.. the bumpiness that is.. Then again, you have a point.. Unless someone sheds more light, I am kinda in the dark about what happened there..
post #12 of 31
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Originally Posted by atomic_ski_bum
Too bad we have to deal with the ridiculous voiceovers. I think I could do without them entirely and just hear audio from mic's placed along the course so we can hear the *snik* of the skates, the *swish* of the skis, and the *shhh shhh shhh* of the curler's brooms...
Nahh, let em do their schtick. It gives us fodder for bashing them. And to be perfectly honest, I'm no huge curling fan, but I don't think I could handle the 5 minutes of dead silence as the competitors stare at the rocks deciding what to do. Sure, listening to them and their Yooper accents would be interesting, but they stand around doing nothing for wuite a while.

Also, when watching the women's DH (can't remember whether it was the practice runs or the real thing), they had someone with the commentator who was not a talking head, but sounded like a real coach. I don't know who he was, but he was very knowledgable and had some interesting stuff to say.

Really, that's what they should do. Send half of the talking heads home (keeping only one in the booth) and have coaches of the atheletes that either didn't make the finals or who are not in that particular event sit in the booth and chat with the talking head and give some commentary/insight (have a women's alpine coach in the booth during the mens events, etc). Now THAT would be interesting.
post #13 of 31
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I know but that course looked pretty horrible overall
There were a few comments that the men and women racers thought the orginal course was too easy. It appears that the "rollers" (for example) were added to the course to make it more difficult.

(Note that I know very little about ski racing except it's cool to watch and women downhill skiers are hot.)
post #14 of 31
Anyone else annoyed with the skiing commentator with the lissssp?? (sorry to offend anyone out there with a lisp )
post #15 of 31
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Originally Posted by JohnH
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Also, when watching the women's DH (can't remember whether it was the practice runs or the real thing), they had someone with the commentator who was not a talking head, but sounded like a real coach. I don't know who he was, but he was very knowledgable and had some interesting stuff to say.
Just found out who the NBC alpine announcers are you are referring to, Tim Ryan and Todd Brooker. Ryan has been a sportscaster for decades and was on the NBC team for the 2002 Salt Lake Games. Todd is of course the well known Canadian downhiller from the 1980s. Todd is doing a fine job.

...dave
post #16 of 31
NBC's coverage sucks. The comentary by some of the guys is just dumb. They always say what they would do if they were the athlete and criticize them way too much for not knowing anything besides what they read on the teleprompter. I watch the Canadian coverage when I can.
post #17 of 31
I totally support the wholesale bashing of the coverage of the olympics. However I would like to say that I whole heartedly support a comentator pointing out flaws in the strategy that athelets take. The one I like most is the curling anouncer when he bashes the teams for playing the wrong strategy - then it's a valid point. Saying I would have run faster, or lifted more or what ever is total BS... however strategy is total fair game.
post #18 of 31
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Originally Posted by dave_SSS
Just found out who the NBC alpine announcers are you are referring to, Tim Ryan and Todd Brooker. Ryan has been a sportscaster for decades and was on the NBC team for the 2002 Salt Lake Games. Todd is of course the well known Canadian downhiller from the 1980s. Todd is doing a fine job.

...dave
Although I do agree that they aren't too bad (although not as good as Chad Fleisher and ???? - crap, can't remember his name - another Canadian - that OLN uses), the person I was referring to wasn't one of the normal commentators. It was a coach with a heavy European accent - sounded older. I hadn't heard him before or since that one time. I wish I had caught the beginning of it to find out who it was, or that my TiVo had decided to record the Olympics on NBC as opposed to attempting to record it on some NBCW channel that I don't get. Sometimes that damn box pisses me off.:
post #19 of 31
Speaking of sucky coverage, I heard on the radio this morning that the ratings for the Oly's are bad. Gee... go figure :

So I looked it up. For last week, the Saturday and Sunday olympic prime time coverage came in #7 and #9, and the opening ceremonies #11. The weekday coverage didn't make the top 20!

Maybe, if it does bad enough, the Vancouver games will end up on The Speed Channel and OLN or maybe the Discovery Network channels and we could get some better coverage of actual sport.

Nahhh, at this point, I'm sure one of the networks has already shelled out a few hundred million dollars for the tv rights, and is trying to figure out whether more feel-good human interest stories will up their ratings
post #20 of 31
Speaking of commentators...get these pearls of NBC-esque wisdom from the SL portion of the women's combined...(paraphrased)

"Schild is the only woman who doesn't wear a helmet for slalom in this field...that probably makes her slower since she has to concentrate more on protecting her head"

And this little gem:

"Resi Steigler wasn't allowed to wear her tiger ears for this race. I think that's good, since they would only be a distraction to her"

Gentlemen, please stick to the facts.
post #21 of 31
I am a huge Al Troutwig fan from his days on OLN doing the Tour de France. Even bigger Bob Roll fan though so take that for what it's worth.

NBC has the olympics till at least 2012 and possibly even longer. The problem I think is that they have gone so long with out regular sports coverage that their crews are horrible. They have a few nascar races a year (can't send those guys) and the Notre Dame football home games (~6 per year) throw in a few arena football games and a Black College special on thanksgiving and that's about the extent of NBC Sports right now. Oh, and I think they do some hockey games from time to time, but those guys have just had 16 months off so that's not much practice either.

I whole heartedly believe Fox could do a much better job. Even possibly ABC but I don't have much confidance in CBS. Also with no Idol or 24 or House they would get better ratings
post #22 of 31

no win situation

no, it wouldn't matter which network carrried the games.
extensive TV research shows most ( not all, but the majority) of the folks who watch the quadrennial extravaganza of unmet expectations are not particularily knowledgable about the sports they witness and compelling personal stories ( up close and personals) drive viewer interest. Commentary likewise needs to meet this majority need while providing enough expert technical dissection so the event is understandable and will minimally satisfy those with more than passing knowledge of the sport. As for true blue winter sports fan...sorry, but there's too few of us to expect any in depth technical coverage ( which would lose or bore the casual viewer). As for the current alpine broadcasts: Todd Brucker is a past Crazy Canuck downhiller, Steve Porino ( who also does OLN) is a 90's USST downhill guy, and Tim Ryan is no wanker either...he's an avid and generally savy (Sun Valley based last time I checked) skier who's anchored ski commentary for all the major networks at one time or other. And he says some amazingly inane things some times....but, as one who has been there ( a network contributer/anchor for winter games past) there is no one doing the job who hasn't said something wrong on air and not regretted it later ( How could I have said such a stupid thing???) . I heard the Resi Steigler comments last pm and cringed too...wondering how on earth this guy who actually knows a great deal about the sport could say something like that. Sometimes it's the circumstances you're put in: on one broadcast another anchor and I happened to be watching a nordic event ...something neither of us knew squat about..when we got "tossed to" with a producer yelling in out ear to cover the end of the race. To this day, I still have refused to watch that tape since I'm sure my ignorance was out there for all to see and probably drove nordic fans nuts.
As an ex racer myself, I constanly badgered sr. producers with a request to give greater depth to alpine events...to no avail: bottom line we're not the target audience.
And by the way, even after being at the events live, having slipped the course, been in various wax rooms,watched at the finish and watched multiple monitors...I'd still go back to the hotel at the end of the day and watch the eurosport re-feed to really "see" the event.
My suggestion, since nothing will likely change: check out the the Skiracing and eurosports websites to get some insight as to what really happened on the hill and any backstories or sidebars, then watch the NBC coverage that night with a very large glass of something alcoholic at hand, and hope your favorite is not running beyond the first seed in which case you'll never see 'em... then get up the next morning and check the mail to see if Skiracings recap has arrived yet!
post #23 of 31
JohnH:

I believe I am correct that you are referring to Martin Bell, one of the very knowledgeable posters in this forum! I always enjoyed his commentary and thought him a wholle lot more knowledgeable than Fleischer. As far as the no helmet comment, it was actually Mancuso that does not wear a helmet. Schild has a helmet with chin bar. Mancuso uses a headband and the crown, which I found rather stupid. Likewise with Stiegler's pearls. It expresses the "have fun aspects" I suppose, but I see it as something else take focus away from their skiing. But I am getting old..
post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by Norefjell
JohnH:

I believe I am correct that you are referring to Martin Bell, one of the very knowledgeable posters in this forum! I always enjoyed his commentary and thought him a wholle lot more knowledgeable than Fleischer. As far as the no helmet comment, it was actually Mancuso that does not wear a helmet. Schild has a helmet with chin bar. Mancuso uses a headband and the crown, which I found rather stupid. Likewise with Stiegler's pearls. It expresses the "have fun aspects" I suppose, but I see it as something else take focus away from their skiing. But I am getting old..
The helmet thing was off base irregardless of who it was in reference to.

And what's wrong with one girl wearing a tiara, another, a string of pearls? It's like me wearing my spiderman boxershorts as a good luck thing on race day. Absolutely irrelevant to what I'm doing out there. If the commentators can't turn an item of attire into something to speak positive on, and instead talk down to it...
post #25 of 31
FanOZakk
If you are thinking about how to show off by the way of something in the form of shorts, underwear outside the suit, pearls, tiara or anything else, it is my opinion that you are not 100% focused on your job. I would not say anyting about it at a end of the season J-3 race, but in the Olympics, stick to minimizing the distractions. As I said, that is my opinion and if I were coaching at that level, I would not allow it.
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by Norefjell
FanOZakk
If you are thinking about how to show off by the way of something in the form of shorts, underwear outside the suit, pearls, tiara or anything else, it is my opinion that you are not 100% focused on your job. I would not say anyting about it at a end of the season J-3 race, but in the Olympics, stick to minimizing the distractions. As I said, that is my opinion and if I were coaching at that level, I would not allow it.
Bunk, I says!

Many of the best racers I've ever known don't pace around the start hut like caged lions, working themselves up into a frenzy...they hang out up top, relax, joke around, and have fun.

Relaxation is key to success. Always has been, always will be.

And anyone who looks at sport not as fun first, but a 'job' first...has already lost before they've begun the day's competition.

Go read Bode's book, it'll do you some good.
post #27 of 31
pretty loose most of the top racers are at the top....I wandered back and forth between the start house and the warming hut for both the mens and womens DH at the '94 games in Norway: some guys were stretching out, most chatted and screwed around while half paying attention to the TV monitors installed showing early runners... Marc Girardelli ( about as intense as anyone at that time) kind of stalked around by himself outside ( it was sunny but ~ -2F) but everyone else was pretty loose. Aamodt even spent the 5 minutes before he went out to click into his skiis messing around with my still camera, trying to get it to work after it packed it in. Picabo listened to her walkman CD player,which stayed plugged into her ears till she passed it off to a coach as she was about to enter the start house itself. If I recall correctly: she and some guy named Moe ( who was also v. kickback up at the start) did pretty well on their respective runs.
All kidding aside, my lasting recollection will always be how un-olympic it all seemed up at the start, just seemed like a regular WC or Nor Am for that matter...except for the service techs who definitely WERE very tight sphinctered!
post #28 of 31
Never said that racers don't kid around and have many different ways to stay relaxed at the start. I have been there and know how many racers prepare, Aamodt included. However, except for spring races at the very end of the season I have not seen many focusing on the placement pearls and tieras. As to reading Bode's book, I will get to that someday. pearls and tiaras
post #29 of 31
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Originally Posted by Norefjell
JohnH:

I believe I am correct that you are referring to Martin Bell, one of the very knowledgeable posters in this forum!
Thanks for that description, but that was not me. I did some commentary on the 24 Hours of Aspen for ESPN (with the great Bob Beattie) a few years back, but have never worked for OLN. JohnH was referring to Steve Porino, who in my experience was one of the most analytical and articulate competitors on the World Cup DH tour in the early 90s.

migdriver, I agree that Tim Ryan does a very capable job, considering the requirments of network coverage. And Brooker is just Brooker - one of a kind!
post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by migdriver
pretty loose most of the top racers are at the top....I wandered back and forth between the start house and the warming hut for both the mens and womens DH at the '94 games in Norway: some guys were stretching out, most chatted and screwed around while half paying attention to the TV monitors installed showing early runners... Marc Girardelli ( about as intense as anyone at that time) kind of stalked around by himself outside ( it was sunny but ~ -2F) but everyone else was pretty loose. Aamodt even spent the 5 minutes before he went out to click into his skiis messing around with my still camera, trying to get it to work after it packed it in. Picabo listened to her walkman CD player,which stayed plugged into her ears till she passed it off to a coach as she was about to enter the start house itself. If I recall correctly: she and some guy named Moe ( who was also v. kickback up at the start) did pretty well on their respective runs.
All kidding aside, my lasting recollection will always be how un-olympic it all seemed up at the start, just seemed like a regular WC or Nor Am for that matter...except for the service techs who definitely WERE very tight sphinctered!
Great comment and cool perspective.

powstash <--- Not too stoked on the Olympics for the first time since I was a teen. Not sure why, but the ill positioned commentary has left a sour taste in my mouth. The trip downstairs to the family room to watch TV seems like too much work - I stay poised at the computer in the office.
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