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post #31 of 45
PM,

Does the Gotama fall in that in between category also? I noticed it has a much shorter turn radius than the Explosive, but more ski underfoot. I recall reading somewhere that it is softer than the Explosive. Would it be easier handling on groomed surfaces or worse?
post #32 of 45
I've got a set of Gotamas on the way. Flexing it in the store it is softer than the Explosiv, but still a pretty stiff ski. I've heard it is both good and bad on groomers. I'll post a full review on it in a few months once its been on snow a few days, contrasting it against an Explosiv & G4. Knowing what I do about skis though, I would say it is not a groomer board.
post #33 of 45
Feal - Altaskier was right on the mark w.r.t. the flex of the Gotama. Unfortunately, I've only flexed it in the store and have never skied it, so I can't give you a personal acct of it.

With respect to sidecut radius and dimensions, there is some confusion about this. Volkl's site says:

Explosiv - 120-95-112, 46.0 m at 173 cm
Gotama - 130-105-122, 26.6 m at 176 cm

#1: They haven't changed the dimensions of the Explosiv in years now, and the sidecut radius has always been in the high 20's for the shorter models, and 33 m for the 190, so I think they just made a typo on their web site.

#2: Everything I have seen about the Gotama until now has said that its sidecut is 130-110-122, not 105 underfoot. If this is so, its sidecut is exactly the same as that of the Explosiv, except add 10 mm to each dimension. Hence, it should have precisely the same sidecut radius as the Explosive.

Until there is clarification on these points, I think you can pretty safely assume that the sidecut radius of both the Explosiv and Gotama (at the same length) are pretty similar, and both are in the mid-high 20 m range.

Finally, w.r.t. your question, "Would it be easier handling on groomed surfaces or worse?", because of its softness and extra width, the Gotama would definitely handle more poorly on groomers than the Explosiv.

Tom / PM
post #34 of 45
Quote:
Originally posted by Frenchie:
Anybody skied the Head Mojo? Some guys on the Powder forum says it ski short and is easy to turn. They even advised some guy to get it as a powder ski for his girlfriend. It also come in 166cm. and Ski
Press magazine says it is for skier of medium to light weight. I will let you know when I will have the chance to ski it.
Here are the dimensions and turning radius for the Mojo (very similar to the Pocket Rocket).

Length./..Tip../..Waist../..Tail../..Radius
...186...125.00..90.00../..118.00../..22.40
...176...123.70..89.10../..116.80../..20.10
...166...122.50..88.20../..115.60../..17.90

(Pocket Rocket Radius for Lengths: 165/175/185 cm. = 15/18/21m)

Here are some recent ski test results
..PR./.Mojo
..3.../...4....Bumps
..9.../...9....Off Piste
..4.../...6....High Speed Carving
..6.../...7....Steeps
..7.../...6....Ease of Turning
..3.../...4....Short Turns

The Mojo also has a wood core. (more stable but heavier)
The PR was rated begineer to expert.
The Mojo was rated advanced to expert.

telemark-pyrenees can get Mojos for slighty more than the PR's (even though they are not displayed on their site) ordered my Mojos from them today

http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/e_index.htm

[ October 14, 2003, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: DB ]
post #35 of 45
PM,

I'd like to clairfy,

Explosiv Sidecut: 120-95-112
Length(Readius): mine had a sticker that said 35.0m on a 190

Gotama Sidecut: 130-105-122
Length(Radius): 168(24.0m), 179(26.6), 183(29.4), 190(32.3)

Sanouk Sidecut: 120-110-115
Length(Radius): 193(35.2)

Maybe the Sanouk is where the 110mm underfoot measurement came from? Whatever, it is a sexy ski, even though its nearly impossible to find.



EDIT: I'd also like to say that if one is looking for a mellow ski, Volkl may not be the brand unless you like stiffer skis.

[ October 14, 2003, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: AltaSkier ]
post #36 of 45
Quote:
Originally posted by AltaSkier:
...Explosiv Sidecut ... Gotama Sidecut ... Sanouk Sidecut ... I'd also like to say that if one is looking for a mellow ski, Volkl may not be the brand unless you like stiffer skis.
Great info. That's pretty much what I thought, especially about the weird 46 meter number for the Explosiv on their site.

BTW, where do your numbers come from? I've taken verniers to my 168 and 190 Explosives, so I was completely confident in my own numbers for those lengths.

Good comment about Volkl is not the right brand for softness.

Final question, exactly what do you suppose the swallowtail is supposed to accomplish (except look like the Hexcel model from decades past [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] ). The torsional and longitudinal rigidity of the parts that stick out are going to be nil, and the extra float from that region will also be negligible, so what's Volkl's reasoning (other than looking cool)?

Tom / PM
post #37 of 45
Anybody skied the Head Mojo? Some guys on the Powder forum says it ski short and is easy to turn. They even advised some guy to get it as a powder ski for his girlfriend. It also come in 166cm. and Ski
Press magazine says it is for skier of medium to light weight. I will let you know when I will have the chance to ski it.
post #38 of 45
To leave a roostertail of cold smoke in the face of those following you, A.K.A. face shots!

And cool looking
post #39 of 45
I pulled the numbers from v-ski.com. Also, yanked the numbers on the Explosiv from volkl.com. Two different site run by the same company. I'd probably be more apt to believe calipers over advertised.

Snowboards have been using swallow tails for years. Its my understanding that the notch helps bring the rear of the ski back down, and keep the tips up. Not sure how much this would work on a ski as opposed to a snowboard. Even the fattest of the fat aren't that fat.

Salomon has a new fat with a similar tail.
post #40 of 45
Quote:
Originally posted by Lars:
To leave a roostertail of cold smoke in the face of those following you ...
TT's do it even better. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Tom / PM

[ October 14, 2003, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #41 of 45
Quote:
The Mojo also has a wood core. (more stable but heavier)
The PR was rated begineer to expert.
The Mojo was rated advanced to expert.

telemark-pyrenees can get Mojos for slighty more than the PR's (even though they are not displayed on their site) ordered my Mojos from them today

http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/e_index.htm
I just call the main rep for Head for info on the Mojo and he told me that the ski can accomodate a wide range of skier skills. He also told me that the bindings are monted a little foward so it makes the ski easier to turn and better for tricks. He recommends to used the Railflex system on them so you can adjust the binding back on the ski for a more freeride feel. He also told me to get mine fast because they won't last long. If I could sell my used equipment now, I would buy mine today!!!

[ October 14, 2003, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: Frenchie ]
post #42 of 45
Quote:
2. If you mount atomic bindings on a pocket rocket should the binding be positioned.

a) 2 cm back with the binding in the middle setting (enabling the binding to go further back)?
b) 2 cm back with the binding in it's rear most position?
c) Some other way?
I believe the 412 has 3cm of travel and the 614 has 4cm of travel, I would mount the 412 so the mid setting is 1cm back, so you could go from center mount to 3cm back. The 614 you could mount so the mid setting is either 1 or 2cm back depending on what you are using the ski for.
post #43 of 45
Just scored some Mojo's on ebay -- hope the seller comes through!

Got 'em in 186s. Would have liked to go shorter...
post #44 of 45
feal, for what it's worth, here's my stodgy old bastidge view on fats... take with caution, as I am a "late adopter" on technological advances - I wait to see how they shake out. It's only this year that I'm moving to a waist beyond 70mm.

The big stiff fatties are for the strong skier who likes to go fast through broken snow, reef, mank, etc. The stiffness gives stability at high speeds, but remember - Jeremy Nobis and Micah Black speeds, not gonzostrike speeds.

Skiing has changed radically since the days of pencil skis and 70-80% skidded turns. The key to getting the most out of modern equipment is to learn carving, and to let the skis do the work.

A level 3 or 4 skier needs a fairly forgiving ski with good sidecut, if he/she is going to learn carving techniques. Stiffer skis transmit too many pilot errors to the boards, resulting in what is to the novice an erratic unexpected ski behavior.

There always are exceptions to the rule. I'm sure someone could begin skiing on some old 1999 K2 Big Kahunas and get to level 7 or higher with the right focus, attention, work and coaching. But why intentionally give yourself difficult obstacles?
post #45 of 45
The PR and the chubb V2 would be good choices but according to Powder mag reviews the K2 Phat love and the Head Mojo 166cm are the best women's powder board this year.
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