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Alpine Board?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Nephews birthday is a few weeks away. So I'm looking for ideas.
One think I'm considering is New bindings for his current snow board. K2Cinch
Another idea is an Alpine Board.(I think that's what you call it) He has shown some interest in trying one and hasn't been able to find a demo so now he's looking to buy one(maybe season end close out):

My nephew's stats
19 yrs old
200ish lbs 6'2"
Size 12 feet

His current Snow board is a K2(not sure the model) 163 cm.

Help his stupid aunt out.....Please.
post #2 of 17
While I love the idea of getting him into an alpine board, I also think that it generally is a lot of money to spend on something he may not like. Demo gear is hard to find, but there are some alpiners on the Bomber site that are in your area. they will usually have insight on who might be avaailble with equipment to try out before shelling out the cash...

On the other hand, If you do go with a board. check the classified on bomberonline and the Catek site. Buy a new board from Donek, and get either bomber or catek bindings...he's big enough that the bindings will be goods for him. Boots of course depend on the shape of his foot, but I love Head (boots that is).
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by SirMack
While I love the idea of getting him into an alpine board, I also think that it generally is a lot of money to spend on something he may not like. Demo gear is hard to find, but there are some alpiners on the Bomber site that are in your area. they will usually have insight on who might be avaailble with equipment to try out before shelling out the cash...

On the other hand, If you do go with a board. check the classified on bomberonline and the Catek site. Buy a new board from Donek, and get either bomber or catek bindings...he's big enough that the bindings will be goods for him. Boots of course depend on the shape of his foot, but I love Head (boots that is).
???!?!?!?!
buy whatever brand you can find cheaply.
its' antithetical to suggest that it might be too expensive an avocation, but to then suggest only one brand of (NEW) board and (new) binding for a beginner.
snwopro and fritschi bindings are fine, i raced for snwopro for many, many years and they held up well.
hit the shops, most whom carry alpine boards have leftovers which they know they can't sell, at this point. buy an oxygen, a rossi, a burton leftover, whatever.
save your bott $ if he presently skis, and start him in his ski boots, just to see if he 'gets it', first. at that foot size and height, he should be able to effect cruel enough leverage on his boots to flex fine.
get whatever brand of binding you can find, for starters. hell- start with ebay, keep it cheap until he figures out what he needs.
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
Vlad, He's not a skier, he's a boarder. He is VERY interested in getting into Alpine.
That being said.....What length would he need?
I will surely look into the local shop to see what they offer. They have alpine boards but not for demo: :

SirMack, Thanks for the ideas on "brand" specifics.
Have you any experience on Alpine vs park snowboards?

What do we really need to look for????
post #5 of 17
If he's not currently using Flow bindings or step-ins... I'm sure he'd love having the K2 Cinches..

That way, you don't have to yell "Yo Kid! Get out of my way!" on the top of the hill when he's strapping in. = )
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by jonpole
If he's not currently using Flow bindings or step-ins... I'm sure he'd love having the K2 Cinches..

That way, you don't have to yell "Yo Kid! Get out of my way!" on the top of the hill when he's strapping in. = )
I love that! Our local slopes have put a huge orange KEEP MOVING! sign at the top of the hills
post #7 of 17
get some wide/big bindings. Burtons are the best. get the cartels
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by trekchick
He is VERY interested in getting into Alpine.
That being said.....What length would he need?

I will surely look into the local shop to see what they offer. They have alpine boards but not for demo: :

SirMack, Thanks for the ideas on "brand" specifics.
Have you any experience on Alpine vs park snowboards?

What do we really need to look for????
Length will be specific to the kind of board you want and the size hill/degree of crowdedness that he rides in. If you want a Slalom race board, he would probably do best with about a 163 or so. If you are looking for a GS board, that will really depend on the hill/crowd. A freecarve board depends on which manufacturer and model.

All of this being said, I believe that he would certainly like the cinch bindings if you went that route.

I also believe that he would like alpine. It takes some getting used to, but it is worth it.

Let me know where he will be riding and what kind of crowds he will encounter -then what kind of board (slalom, GS, or freecarve) he will be interested in. At that point I (we) can help you more.

BTW, SirMack is a respected rider and coach and can be a great resource.
post #9 of 17
Thanks Phil...

(I did send a PM with much more info...)
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirMack
Thanks Phil...

(I did send a PM with much more info...)
All of this is very helpful to me. I'm definitely checking in to all of the info here, and will likely be asking more questions as soon as I have a few things scoped out. Phil, SM, JP......you've all been helpful.

Again, Thanks tons!
post #11 of 17

Alpine set up

I highly recommend Volkl. They make awesome alpine boards. Bomber also makes the best bindings. As a newbie he might want a more fogiving binding than Bomber, though. Volkl race bindings are also very solid, but more forgiving than the Bomber plates. volkl.com
post #12 of 17
he's a beginner as far as alpine.
get him whatever is cheap, right now.
most folks will recommend what they ride, forgetting the needs of the beginner.
I like volkl a lot, they're the last board for whom I raced.
for a beginner, however, brand simply doesn't matter so much.
just find him whatever he can afford, for now, burton, rossi, volkl, whatever. don't obsess on bindings, either.
let him use whatever's available, cheaply, as he'll likely upgrade altogether after he's learned basic alpine form.

i'm not pulling this intel outta my ass- i started and directed what was, at the time, north america's highest volume snowboard school in 1988, and i coached alpine from the eighties into the early 21st century, when i wasn't competing.
try my suggestions with confidence, and best to the kid.....
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by trekchick
All of this is very helpful to me. I'm definitely checking in to all of the info here, and will likely be asking more questions as soon as I have a few things scoped out. Phil, SM, JP......you've all been helpful.

Again, Thanks tons!
don't thank me, i was no help
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post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by philsthrills
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BTW, SirMack is a respected rider and coach and can be a great resource.
and so are other posters here, philsthrills. let's open our minds,
there is a world outside epic and east-coast pros.
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vlad
don't thank me, i was no help
:
Everyone here has been great help, and I may be back for more info in the future. I actually found a great deal on a used Volkl board and decided to involve my nephew(spoil the surprise) so he would have some input on size and technical traits.

Turns out his car died and he wants Cash to help get another car.
Doesn't that sound just like a 19 year old?

Sorry to have wasted your time, but then I guess it wasn't a waste because I learned a lot. Some from the info you offered and some from study with the direction you all shoved me.

Love to have great sources like you all......Y'all!
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vlad
and so are other posters here, philsthrills. let's open our minds,
there is a world outside epic and east-coast pros.
Vlad, you offer a great source of information. I certainly didn't discount your help, but you need to lighten up.

Just because someone else is acknowledged as "intelligent" doesn't mean they are saying you are not.
Chill out! It's all good!!!!!
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by vlad
and so are other posters here, philsthrills. let's open our minds,
there is a world outside epic and east-coast pros.

Vlad-

Nobody in thread has suggested anything else, other than yourself. If all that you is true (and I have no reason to believe otherwise) I would the opprtunity to ride with you (and maybe already have...I'm not sure who you really are). Thank you for all that you have done for snowboarding.

For those of you wondering who I am: here it is:

Noah Cermak
Formerly founding coach of the Mt Sunapee snowboard team.
currently the head coach of Team Bousquet.
Co director of USASA MA.
USSA Level 1 coach
USASA Level 2 coach
AASI level 1 instructor.
Ultimately a weekend warrior.
Never competed. been riding 10 years...mostly alpine.
Personally, I think Phil may been overkind when he said respected.
Biggest snowboarding influences: Alan Smarse, Bill Enos, and Phil Fell.

I'll be the first to say that I am not the end all be all...each of the above, and probably Vlad) have forgotten more about snowboarding than I could hope to know. I appreciate every opportunity to pick their brains, and the respect that they in turn give me. This is what amon the things that makes each such an excellent coach.

Whether you chose to respect me my efforts, and my knowledge is entirely up to you. I sleep well.

-Noah
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