Originally Posted by SnowDog2112
Yahoo!!! ssh describes exactly what I was looking for but unable to describe my self... Two thumbs way up
. M11 it is!!!
Now I know what length HS thinks I should ski, but 185 is not an option (thankfully). That leaves 172 or 162. The Atomic chart puts me on 162. What say you fellow Metronites? 6'1", 195# advanced who craves tight turns but goes 4x4 too...
I know this question is like drawing a cartoon of Mohammed to HS but hopefully there will be no rioting in the streets
HS, when I first saw the Metrons I was skeptical. But last year because of the low snow we had to go all the way to Sun Peaks for my boys to train. The snow was hard as a rock, about 13 degrees out. I first demeod the 162. I have posted this before. I was with my older boy, 19 YO JO level top racer form PNSA.(Had top ten finishes at JO in SG & Gs) he absolutely loves his 172 B5. He was on his 186 Atomic GS11 World cup 27M Turn radius ski. He also weighs about 225 and is 6'1". I could keep with with him turn to turn on the 162 B5.
and the things held like a race ski on the hard snow. Anfd trust me he had the afterburners on. I ended up buying the 172cm thinkjng it would be better all around ski.
I originally bought the 172 B5 (6'0" 187lbs). I have skied for 43 years and about 80 days a year the last 5 years.
I skied the 172 the last 1/4 of last year and the first paRt of this season.
I skied it in over 2 feet of new POW at snowbird, packed pow at snow basin, chopped pow and bumps at Deer Valley (Ya I know it is a wimpy hill)
I also skied it in May at Whistler on every conceivable snow from absolutely hard frozen slush to after noon corn and hard as a rock groomed and chopped up off piste sh _ _.
I skied at our home mountain ( just a crumby little hill with 3, 000 verts and lots of steep & deep. Yes it finally snowed here last March)
I must tell you this ski performed unshakenly and handsomely in all these different conditions.
I then decided just for kicks to take my younger sons 162 B5 out for the day. (he was ranked 4th in the country in his age group in DH)He absolutely loves his metron B5.Lots of Pow , and chopped up powder off piste and a fair amount of good groomers.
Of course Hs you wouldn't consider either of them expert skiers because of the sidecut of their freeskiing ski?
they aslo grew up skiing at Crystal Mt. WA. Known for the large amount of freskiing the race team does in the steep & deep and having to do it on GS race skis. of course Scott Mcartney & Libby Ludlow & Tatum Skoglund and Ingrid Backstrom and Paul & Jill MacdDonald all grew up skiing there and came from the same race program my boys raced for. In fact they trained with Scott & Libby quite a bit in the younger days & at summer camps.
Needless to say, I immediately bought a 162.
The 162 was better in every aspect then the 172. More stable in all conditions and I gave up no top end whatsoever. I have not skied my 172 since.
now with that said the M11 is a much softer more forgiving ski. Dpending on what terrain you spend most of the time on, you may be better on a M11 172.
Now for this debate on what skill level the B5 metron promotes.
I submit to HS and even ssh that to really make use of the B5 metron requires a very advanced skill level. This is a very demanding ski that handsomely rewards up- to- date, highly inclinated, wider stance technique. If you are not balanced on this ski it will run away with you,
partially due to the high G force that must be dealt with in tighter radius turns and the beefyness of the ski.
You know HS whether you'd like to admit it or not, some of us like to make more turns, some less. This has no bearing on the level of skier one is.
Somehow you equate going straighter down the hill with a higher level of skill. I say it is just the opposite. it takes more skill to turn, and the more and tighter you turn the higher the G forces at a given speed.
Did you know in the ranks of USSA, they pick the athletes to qualify for events on a double board by event in this order: GS, SG, SL DH. this is done by the difficulty of the discipline. Notice DH is last. (lots of speed lower on the technique scale (mostly just big cajones) GS is considered the most difficult because it is a combo of high technical ability & speed), SG is somewhat technical and more speed , SL is third, lots of Tecnical ability but low speed.
Now I submit to you, if you make slalom turns at GS speed you have quite a challenge on your hands.
Anyway, more power to ya, if you like the bigger boards with less sidecut.
I have been there and done that before you were born and can still do it if I'd like to handsomely.
It is just not my "Choice" and has nothing to do with my ability or level of expertise on a ski. I am sure many who "CHOOSE" to ski a smaller radius ski are in the same boat.
But as usual., your mind is made up don't confuse you with facts attitude is why you are loved so much on the forums. .
TO EACH HIS OWN!