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Zipfit issue??

post #1 of 18
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I just got off the phone with a ski shop in Utah that told me he did not like zipfits. His issue with them is that they do not do a good job of filling in the empty spaces in a boot and the flow compund is so dynamic that you get a different feel every time you put your boot on. Can anyone respond to this issue...if it is a real issue?? Also, it would be great to hear what kind of break in process can be expected with zipfits. :
post #2 of 18
Don, I just got them at ESA and I have to tell you that I absolutely love them.

I have Thermafits in my alpine boots. Wore them on Saturday and there was absolutely NO comparison. The Zip Fits are so much more responsive, so much more comfortable. What happens in my brain happens with the boots. And I like the dynamic fit - I am primarily an AT skier and that little bit of movement is extremely helpful to me. It doesn't move too much... just enough to accommodate your feet that day.

I was feeling very happy with the fit on the 3rd day, but they felt great right out of the box. I have to tell you that I was concerned with how they'd perform skiing uphill, but they are stellar in that regard, too.

I have about 10 days on them at this point and am using the AT specific model, so take it for what it's worth.
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by DonT
I just got off the phone with a ski shop in Utah that told me he did not like zipfits. His issue with them is that they do not do a good job of filling in the empty spaces in a boot and the flow compund is so dynamic that you get a different feel every time you put your boot on. Can anyone respond to this issue...if it is a real issue?? Also, it would be great to hear what kind of break in process can be expected with zipfits. :
Why don't you ask Jeff Bergeron? I am sure he will tell you. Don't forget to follow his simple format, though...
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=29323
post #4 of 18
There is a bit of dynamic fit. I dry mine each night and put them on warm each morning. Have breakfast or make two runs, then cinch them down another 1/2-1 notch and don't touch them again the rest of the day for the most part, but may cinch the cuffs down if skiing moguls/crud/steeps...

I don't know what you mean by "filling the empty space in the boot"? They fill my shells just fine. I requested a "near" race fit that I could ski in all day. Shell fit the boots according, then inserted zipfits sized to match. If trying to fill space with an improperly fitted shell, then I could see this being the case ...however, additional flow material can be added if needed to fill space, but probably better to get the right size shell!

I've skied in mine for probably about 100 days now and they are the best fitting boot/liner combo I've ever had. When the shells give out, I'll probably switch to the plug version.
post #5 of 18
cgeib, how are the liners holding up after 100 days?
post #6 of 18
DonT, where in Utah? Do they sell ZipFits?
post #7 of 18
http://www.superiorski.com/tips.html

Steve Bagley's phone is 801 209 6681
post #8 of 18
John J, I'm sorry I was so obtuse. My intent was to highlight the fact that the importer of ZipFits is also in Utah, and to wonder if the person that DonT spoke with is one of Steve's competitors. Steve sells a lot of ZipFits in Utah.
post #9 of 18
ahh... you and the warden.
yes, i thought of the competitor angle.
Didn't you get some Zipfits?
post #10 of 18
Yes, I got a pair of the Plug Leathers when we were at Snowbird for the ESA. So far, I like them, but I haven't really worked into them, yet (skied them about 5 days or so). I may need more Fit material in my right boot.

BTW, DonT, I do not feel that the fit is dynamic. On the contrary, when I put my foot into the liner at the beginning of the day (I put the liners on, then put my foot into the shell), they are form-fit to my feet. The form of the liner around my foot is quite exact.

FWIW, the Plug Leather is quite a think liner, so I don't know about the "filling the shell" stuff. However, it fits very nicely into my Tecnica XTs, and forms to the shell shape quite seamlessly, it seems to me.
post #11 of 18
I'm with Steve on the "less than dynamic" nature of these liners. If you haven't seen them or felt them yet then you might be getting the wrong impression from some of the posts.

Even at room temperature the flow material is highly immobile - it takes lots of time and heat to really move the stuff around. If the liner is cold forget about it - the flow material isn't going to move. As your body heat works into the liner the flow material does become slightly more forgiving, but in no way does it "slide" around like some of the descriptions might imply.

When I first learned of ZipFits a few seasons ago I completed discounted them as a possibility because the descriptions made it sound like you wouldn't get very good heel hold down with the liner material moving around on you - the reality is that it's the best heel hold down I've ever had in any liner.

That said, I can only really comment on the Plug Leather and state that as long as you already have a great shell fit then you really don't have to worry about needing the liner to "fill spaces". In fact the Plug Leather liner has really made me start wondering if I could've downsized further in my Krypton shells - really surprising considering I couldn't get my foot into the boot with other moldable liners.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Noodler
As your body heat works into the liner the flow material does become slightly more forgiving, but in no way does it "slide" around like some of the descriptions might imply.
Ahhhh, sorry Noodler and all if I gave that impression. That wasn't what I meant. I always put my feet into warm boots for a variety of reasons, and my feet are going to function differently inside the boot than for those of you who do regular downhill skiing. The fact that these liners work so nicely for me both uphill and downhill is a huge plus and a profound improvement over my old liners. What you've connoted as "forgiving" is what I was trying to describe.
post #13 of 18
Mountaingirl - it's all good, no harm intended! Hope you're doing well and enjoying your new found confidence and skills on the mountain. I wish I would've had more than 2 days skiing with you and Charlie's "gang" - it was all good times. Hope to see you in Aspen next season.
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
Well, so far consensus says that this is not a problem with the zipfits...good to know! ssh, I would rather not say what shop it was, but no he does not sell zipfits, which is why I sent the post in the first place...took his opinion with a grain of salt! Glad to hear that the zipfits work well! Hey Noodler, when do you think you might send those pictures of the pro t's? Noodler, what mondo size do you measure out to? How many fingers on the shell fit?
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by ssh
cgeib, how are the liners holding up after 100 days?
ssh,

Only way you could tell them from new is a bit of wear on the velcro strap at the top. I'm very confident that they'll way out last my shells. But I'll probably switch to a plug boot at that that point and go with the version of the zipfit you have at that point.

These never come out of the shells though, so your mileage might very and I'll be interested if you experience any wear and tear with the in and out you're doing.

Chris
post #16 of 18
They slip in and out very easily. Easier than the stock liners. But, I'm planning on keeping an eye on that.
post #17 of 18
DonT - Sorry about not getting the pictures out to you yet - work has me runnin' ragged lately (we just acquired a large company and integration issues are piling up).

I'm generally happy in a Flexon 301mm shell and my foot measures out at a 26.5.
post #18 of 18
One more positive vote for Zipfit liners. I love mine. Best way to check them out is to go try a pair at Snowbird. Steve will heat your shell and the liner and let you try a pair on before you make the purchase decision. In response to the earlier durability decision, I have about 70 days on mine and they are better than new. Breaking is much less harsh than a stock liner. I also get mine on and leave them buckled all day, including lunch. That used to be the big comfort claim from Daleboots - that you could see people in the lodge with them still buckled. You should be able to do that with properly fitted Zipfits.

If you will, PM me about the shop putting down Zipfits and I'll reply with my opinion of the place. I've shopped all the stores in SLC for over 20 years.....
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