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Salomon Course v Pro Model

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I used to own and ski in the Salomon Course boot with a flex of 120. This season i switched to the Nordica Doberman Soft for racing because i broke my courses. I'm wondering if the Course and the Pro Model are the same shell, with a different flex. For next season im getting a boot to free ski in so i dont have to have my Dobermans softened for free skiing. I need something that is moderately stiff, but still has low volume, so boots like the X-wave, Crossmax, and Nordica Beast are out of the question. I want it to feel sort of like a race boot, but have good landing gear and flex (dobermans dont fly very well). I'll be able to have plenty of bootwork done on them, and have custom footbeds or orthodics in them, i just need to figure out what the shells on non-race boots are like. I havent tried on a non race boot in years...
Later
GREG
post #2 of 20
I don't know about the Pro Model, but I'd check out some of the softer Rossi or Lange race boots.

I had no idea that the Course and Crossmax/X-Wave fit differently...
post #3 of 20
I'll echo the Lange boots. If you want a stiff, low volume boot, I'd start with the Comp 130 and/ or 120 and go from there.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
The key is that i dont want a stiff boot. The 95 flex of the pro model seems like it would be very soft. The 130 or 120 flex of the Lange boots is a little too much. Also, i dont like the ramp angle that the Lange boots put you at - its very un natural. If i can get a 110 or 100 flex on that boot might check it out but it will have to fit properly and keep me standing that the angles that im used to in my Dobermans. Is the XS Doberman stiff? Also, is it the same shell as the Soft? Do they add anything to absorb impact in the sole of the boot, in comparison to the Soft?
Later
GREG
post #5 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
The key is that i dont want a stiff boot. The 95 flex of the pro model seems like it would be very soft. The 130 or 120 flex of the Lange boots is a little too much. Also, i dont like the ramp angle that the Lange boots put you at - its very un natural. If i can get a 110 or 100 flex on that boot might check it out but it will have to fit properly and keep me standing that the angles that im used to in my Dobermans. Is the XS Doberman stiff? Also, is it the same shell as the Soft? Do they add anything to absorb impact in the sole of the boot, in comparison to the Soft?
Later
GREG
If the problem is stiffness, have yhou tried your boots without the rivets in the back? They're crazy soft...
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 
I dont want my dobermans softer, i want a free skiing boot. I love my dobermans. They are perfect at their current stiffness (150), but they dont free ski very well. In other words im looking for another boot - for purely recreational skiing, but it has to be performance oriented. If i can get a comfortable boot, that has some shock absorption, but still fits like a race boot, or something close to a race boot, i would be greatly pleased. My dobermans are just not fun to ski bumps in, ski powder in, ski rough terrian in, jump in the park in, or land in when free skiing. I liked the course shell when i had it, but since i wont be using the boot to race in, i figure i can go even softer. I'd rather not soften a course boot because i think the pro model, or boots like it out there will be better suited for all mountain skiing...

So... back to shells. What shells out there fit like a retail race boot but are softer, and have more padding built into the sole of the boot to allow for shock absorption? I probably wont be into a shop for some time, so if i can compile a list of boots that i want to try on once i get to a shop it would be great. I probably should have said all that in my original post huh? Sorry [img]smile.gif[/img]
Later
GREG
post #7 of 20
What about the Lange Comp 120 FR?

They didn't feel ridiculously stiff and I only ski in a Salli Crossmax 10 boot.
post #8 of 20
You could always get a shelf race boot and get it softened...
post #9 of 20
I am skiing in the Salomon X2 Course Lab "Soft" with a 3 banded booster strap. I believe the X2 Soft is a 120 flex index. It is not stiff. I am 6'0" 185lbs. and my tibias are longer than my femurs!Love the boot! Very thin liner.

I have had no packing out which was a problem last year with my Lange Comp 120 MF. (Also, my Lange liners leaked flo, but Lange sent me brand new liners on warranty & I sold the boots) I wear a 27 shell in the X2 but would have had to use a 26 in a X-Wave 10. the Course is much more upright with less ramp angle and much, much lower volume than the X-Wave. A little grinding and a couple of mods by my boot guy and the X2 has been fabulous!

By the way, sounds like the whole Austrian team is making a mass exodus from Lange boots and switching to Atomic!
post #10 of 20
I see where Cuppolo has the Lange 100 for $219. Maybe narrow enough last for you . Flex I am assuming is 100 which might be less than you desire. The picyure on their website of the Lange 100 shows the blue Lange boot but the color of the Lange 100 is black.

Also on Ebay you can pick up a never skied Head World Cup Race in a 99 width(their narrowest last) along with the silicon liner injection kit very cheap. I'd guess under $100 will take it. Its a 2000 model boot. I skied in the HEAD WC (SPC silicon liner) boot for two seasons. It was a great boot. I changed because I wanted something a tad roomier and a tad less stiff.
Maybe this boot although now a model several years old would meet your requirements.

When I was up at Whistler a few seasons ago , it looked like the whole ski school was skiing this boot.
post #11 of 20
I would reccomend something from Dalbello. Mainly because their Avanti line is performance oriented, but are still meant for free-skiing (they do have a race boot at the top of the line though.)

I have one of their softer Avanti boots - the V8, that I race in, and it works great. I don't do any serious racing though, just for my highschool, so thats why I don't use a race boot.


The boot is great for the park and for bumps and just plain old crusing the groomed stuff. The best part about the boot is that it has an adjustable flex (extremley easy to adjust) that makes a noticeable difference. I think it ranges from 100-130. You might want to check out the V12 model.
post #12 of 20
I have last year's Dalbello V-Pro, and echo your opinion regarding the Dalbello boot. They are infinitely adjustable. I think the issue for Heluvaskier considering the Dalbello will be their larger volume.
The cuff of the boot really accomodates a large calf. I use a Booster Strap under the plastic cuff to help me achieve a better fit. I was thinking about the boot tongue attachment on Master Fit's website.
Anybody have any experience with this item?
post #13 of 20
Heluva, the Pro Model is made on the same last as the Course. I'm going the same way, keeping my Course and buying the Pro Model for most skiing. The Pro Model is changing slightly for next year, colors and sort of a honeycomb area in part of the shell. You should be able to get a good deal on this year's boot because of the changes to the 04/05 model.
post #14 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
The key is that i dont want a stiff boot. GREG
I understand, that's why I recommended the upper level Langes, and recommended you go down from there. I think for a low volume foot, you could find something you'd like in their line. The Dalbellos will have to much volume and they pack out like crazy. You could also try the Rossi B2, but I think coming off of a 150 flex, you'll think they're too soft.

As a side note I don't use Langes because of their low volume. I recommended them because many friends of mine with race experience always seem to end up in Langes for free skiing.
post #15 of 20
add a 4th voice against Dalbello, they're waaaaaaaaaaayyyy too voluminous for someone considering Salomon Course or Lange race fits.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone. I knew i could count on people here for boot advice! It seems like it is more and more difficult to find a low volume boot these days. Companies seem to be building boots more for comfort than for performance. It turns out that i may be in the position to try on some boots tomorrow because i may have some work done on my Dobermans, so i will give the Salomons and the whole line of Langes a try. Whatever i get will be on proform or at the racer price, but i think im going to try to stick to this season's line of boots so i dont end up getting tossed any last minute changes in the fall. Plus since these boots will only be my free skiing boots and wont be used more than 20 times a season, i cant justify breaking the bank on them. In the mean time, keep the suggestions coming. Tomorrow i will have just about any boot i want at my disposal, so ill probbaly want to try as many as possible.
Later
GREG

btw, how stiff is the Lange Comp 120 in comparison to the Salomon Course (120)?
post #17 of 20
lange 120 is a bit softer than salomon 120 I found
again salomon pro and course are the same last.
post #18 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by D(C):
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
The key is that i dont want a stiff boot. The 95 flex of the pro model seems like it would be very soft. The 130 or 120 flex of the Lange boots is a little too much. Also, i dont like the ramp angle that the Lange boots put you at - its very un natural. If i can get a 110 or 100 flex on that boot might check it out but it will have to fit properly and keep me standing that the angles that im used to in my Dobermans. Is the XS Doberman stiff? Also, is it the same shell as the Soft? Do they add anything to absorb impact in the sole of the boot, in comparison to the Soft?
Later
GREG
If the problem is stiffness, have yhou tried your boots without the rivets in the back? They're crazy soft... </font>[/quote]Absolutley -don't discount the Lange if it fits well until you try it w/ & w/o the rivets. Tape the holes to keep your socks dry.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
Sounds like its going to be either the Pro Model or one of the Lange boots. Thanks for the help. It will be so nice to have a comfortable day of bump skiing.
Later
GREG
post #20 of 20
I would look into the new Head boots. The S10 is a great all-mountain or "soft" race boot that some coaches around here are already using. There is also the S8 (probably too soft) and the S12. It still comes in a 100mm last, so it isn't too wide. The 103mm last is available on all of these boots as well-the inner shell is removable. Head also makes their off-the-shelf race line (RS100 and RS80) with the same inner last and varying stiffnesses. The RS100 is probably a little stiffer than the Course, the RS80 a little stiffer than the Course Pro. The S12 falls in between. They are all top-quality boots and are quite upright, a very natural stance (quite similiar to the Course, but a touch less ramp and more upright). If I were in the market for new all-mountain boots, they would be at the top of my list.
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