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post #31 of 47
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Originally Posted by Pinecone
The beauty of the combined is that the events are so opposite to each other and require such variety of talent to win. A more practical thing is that the combined is normally held on one day - to include GS along with DH and slalom all on the same day would be ridiculous. To make the combined a multi-day event would make it very difficult to fit in with the other four events. It makes sense the way it is.
Maybe they could just add up the times of all the 4 individual events for everyone and see who comes out on top, instead of having a separate "combined" event. Or, they could change disciplines in the middle of the hill--literally a "combined" race. A short slalom course at the top, progressing to gs, then finishing with DH at the bottom. It would be interesting to see which type of skis they would choose!! I would love to see someone going 78 mph in a pair of 164 SL11's.

The Olympics are getting boring. THey need to spice things up!
post #32 of 47
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston

Let's say there are some other American guys who are pretty good racers and really, really do want at least to try to win a medal. Only four Americans can race.

Shouldn't Bode withdraw and give the guys who want to try a shot?
Talk that he should sit at home, down a few cold ones, and let somebody take his position doesnt make any sense when one looks at American performances in the FIS circuit this year.. IIRC, in the speed events save for Miller and Rhalves, no american even made the podium this year.. Did you see how far off the pace the other American DH racers who qualified were?.. Sure bode ONLY finished 5th in the DH.. but there are 25 behind him and 3 of them his teammates..


Bode is quite simply one of the best American skiiers out there and easily a contendor if he gets things going.. .. He comes with his own quirks.. He looked determined in the DH and looked rather solid in the first run save for stradling a gate.. I think he was heading for the podium today.. Unfortunate that he DQd.. He, after all, has 3 more events, 2 of which he stands a great chance at getting a medal..

I dont see why people have problems with his performance thus..
post #33 of 47
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Well ... I just put it up as a thought in response to the notion that he doesn't care if he wins or not (which I don't think is the case, in any event).

And: The other Americans did pretty well in the DH actually (as did Bode, as you correctly note). Scott Macartney was .75 seconds behind Miller, which is actually closer than Bode was to Deneriaz.
post #34 of 47
Good job for Ted.

Unfortunatly the big story of the day is Bode's dq. Obviously when your potential is to win the event, and you don't - you haven't skiied to potential. I respect a guy that trains hard, performs well, and gets beat and says so. He said himself in the post race interview for the downhill that even had he had a perfect race, he wasn't going to beat the guy who won. I think that takes incredible self confidance to say that and be truely happy with your self for competing.

Just because a guy wants to win a medal doesn't mean he deserves to go, and vice versa. Also, even though I personally might want a medal more than Bode Miller, does that mean that he should sit out so I could race in his place? Of course not, that's stupid. It's not like Bode wants not to win a medal - he just has a little more non-traditional definition of success. Bode subscribes to the same motto that we try to instill in 8 and 10 year olds. Compete to the best of your ability, and if you had fun, that's all that matters.

In an era of guys griping over only getting $500,000 to play baseball and all the other perks that go with being a major pro-athelete it's refreshing for the biggest star in the sport to be about the love of the sport. That or he's full of more crap than a waste water treatment facility.


Bode already has an olympic medal, world cup title, and more fame than any American Skiier could ever hope to gain. What's left? the color of the medal? I think he just realized that he's on an all expense paid trip to Itally where he is skiing on basically a private mountain for free. What more could you want out of life?
post #35 of 47
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Originally Posted by coug
IIRC, in the speed events save for Miller and Rhalves, no american even made the podium this year..
Scott Macartney: 2nd in SG at Garmisch.
post #36 of 47
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Originally Posted by mnemosyne's lobotomy
Something I don't get about combined. Why just downhill and slalom?
Technically, there can be such a thing as a "combined" that's a combination of any two or more events.

There's a lot of history to the combined DH-SL, going back to the 1920s, when - of course - there wasn't anything but DH and SL.

Historically, it was usually done by adding times (or points, in some form or another) from free-standing races. That's how it still is at Kitzbuhel, for example. For a while, when the FIS had World Championships in even years and the Olympics were the FIS Championships, there was an FIS combined champion, based on the Olympic DH and SL results, even though there was no Olympic combined.

Whether separate, or tied to free-standing DH and SL races, it's also usually spread over two days. That's how it was at recent Olympics, since it returned as a separate Olympic medal event. On the World Cup, they've recently invented the "Super Combined" (only one slalom run), to cram it into one day. So far as I know, the three-runs-in-one-day format at the Olympics is quite unusual.
post #37 of 47
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston
Well ... I just put it up as a thought in response to the notion that he doesn't care if he wins or not (which I don't think is the case, in any event).

And: The other Americans did pretty well in the DH actually (as did Bode, as you correctly note). Scott Macartney was .75 seconds behind Miller, which is actually closer than Bode was to Deneriaz.
Hey didnt mean to put you down or anything .. I noted that you had just posted a hypothetical question.. someothers had stated that he shouldnt have gone... Yours was the most objective/non-rant and least editable post that I could reply to ...

Point taken about Macartney who seems to have finished well a few times.. I agree that Bodes 'dont care if I dont win' mask could be false.. It could just be a mechanism of averting the pressure thats on him everytime..
cheers..
-coug.
post #38 of 47
Ted KICKED it! Way to go!

I think that even if Bennie had finished, he would have been 2nd. He was losing time fairly quickly.

I am glad Bode was there. He should NOT have given up his spot. He still wants to win, but he's not all hyper about it. The fact that he won the DH portion and was in 1st by a full second after the 1st run (if it had counted) meant he definitely deserved to be there. Bode and Ted would have finished 1-2 or 2-1 if Bode had not hooked that gate (and had he finished the 2nd run with a good time). That would have been great, but I think Bode is happy with his performance in the combined. And to him, that's all that matters.

I see Ted as the odds-on favorite for the SL!
post #39 of 47

Lets start giving credit where it is due.

I find it hard to believe that so many people are being so hard on Bode. The man took 5th place at the Olympics for crying out loud. Can any of you really even fathom how much of an accomplishment that is? I think it's crazy that he is being bashed by the press and even skiers for his comments. Is it really a crime to be bad at dealing with the press? Take a good look at what really happened on the day he was refering to and ask yourself if he really did anything wrong or even questionable. As for his percieved lack of drive, I think it is crazy that we are all angered that he has such a healthy approach to competition. Isn't he preaching the very same thing that we try to teach our kids? What, now that the press has taken a "questionable" comment and twisted it around to soil his name his views lose all validity? Go figure the press trying to topple a hero, now there is something new! I feel that Bode is an amazing skier and we all owe him a lot of thanks to for taking skiing as a whole into the forefront and bringing U.S. skiing back into the limelight. The true shame of the Olympics that I have seen so far is the fact that the press is so hung up on the fact that Bode didn't have a couple of perfect races, which by the way is not big news, it happens to racers all of the time. One of my favorite comments of the Olympics so far actually came from Bode when he commented on the fact that even if he skied to his potential in the downhill that he would have made a good run at second place, talk about a good sport, he knows how to give credit where it is due.
Why is our so called great american press so busy focusing on Bode's so called failures that they barely make mention of one of the most exciting things happening? Ted Ligety. The man is absolutely on fire and has been for weeks now. I predicted 2 weeks ago that he was going to win the slalom and after watching his performance yesterday I feel even more strongly about that opinion now. Lets take a lesson from Bode here and start giving credit where it is due rather that focusing on that fact that Bode isn't on this week.

On a side note: We actually run an event at our hill here that is one run of downhill, one run of Super G, one run of GS and one run of slalom all in the same day. It is a combined time platform and turns out to be the best race of the year, the ultimate king of the mountain. People come from quite a ways to compete in it and we really throw a big party. The only downside that I can see to our race is that due to our 600 available vertical feet it tends to favor the slalom skiers a bit. I think it would be interesting to see some of these top skiers compete in a similar race.
post #40 of 47
Man, did'nt Ligety give the most awesome SL clinic?

He was fabulous. I really hope he continues to do well -- guys that ski like that and are'nt total flakes are really good for the sport.
post #41 of 47
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Originally Posted by jakegervais
I find it hard to believe that so many people are being so hard on Bode. The man took 5th place at the Olympics for crying out loud. Can any of you really even fathom how much of an accomplishment that is? I think it's crazy that he is being bashed by the press and even skiers for his comments. Is it really a crime to be bad at dealing with the press? Take a good look at what really happened on the day he was refering to and ask yourself if he really did anything wrong or even questionable. As for his percieved lack of drive, I think it is crazy that we are all angered that he has such a healthy approach to competition. Isn't he preaching the very same thing that we try to teach our kids? What, now that the press has taken a "questionable" comment and twisted it around to soil his name his views lose all validity? Go figure the press trying to topple a hero, now there is something new! I feel that Bode is an amazing skier and we all owe him a lot of thanks to for taking skiing as a whole into the forefront and bringing U.S. skiing back into the limelight. The true shame of the Olympics that I have seen so far is the fact that the press is so hung up on the fact that Bode didn't have a couple of perfect races, which by the way is not big news, it happens to racers all of the time. One of my favorite comments of the Olympics so far actually came from Bode when he commented on the fact that even if he skied to his potential in the downhill that he would have made a good run at second place, talk about a good sport, he knows how to give credit where it is due.
Why is our so called great american press so busy focusing on Bode's so called failures that they barely make mention of one of the most exciting things happening? Ted Ligety. The man is absolutely on fire and has been for weeks now. I predicted 2 weeks ago that he was going to win the slalom and after watching his performance yesterday I feel even more strongly about that opinion now. Lets take a lesson from Bode here and start giving credit where it is due rather that focusing on that fact that Bode isn't on this week.
BRAVO! Well said!
post #42 of 47
What I don't understand is why everybody is ragging on Miller, but ignoring Benni Raich, who also DQ'd while leading. Gosh, they should kick him off the Austrian team! Surely somebody else wanted it more!

Fer pity's sakes, Miller is trying to win, he just pushes too hard sometimes, and he doesn't kiss up to the media clowns enough. If he wins the gold medal in the SG, will that make him OK again?
post #43 of 47
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Originally Posted by GlenPlake
i think Bode's trying to spread the message that it doesn't really matter whether or not you win. i think it's a more healthy perspective on things. face it, whether or not he wins any olympic medal... he will have raced in all five events and proabably have had a fun time. he's already proven himself to be the best racer in the world at one point, so he really doesn't need to gloat to anyone.

the fun in doing things is trying to push your limits and challenging yourself. I don't think bode is blowing smoke when he says that he's having a good time and not worried that he didn't medal. What would a gold medal even prove at this point?
Amen!
post #44 of 47
The most heartwarming thing I've yet seen in this Olympics was when silver medalist Ivica Kostelic completed his second slalom just after Ligety's run. Ligety was gauranteed at least the bronze depending on what Kostelic and last to run Mandru did. The later missed a gate and DQ'd. When Kostelic completed the run he just knew he had finally won an Olympic medal and raised his arms in triumph then fell down on the snow face down in humility and gratitude. Instead of being distressed that he had moved from 2nd to 3rd that did not seem to matter at all. A bit later his famous sister Janica who won three alpine gold medals in the Salt Lake City Olympics was seen hugging him and both of their faces were fully awash with tears.

Both of them over the years have had numerous knee injuries and were often the only alpine members of the war strained Croation skiing team. Of course they are a generational legacy of that country's alpine skiers from the 1984 Sarejavo Winter Olympics. I believe the announcer said it was the first Croation to receive a men's alpine medal since that Olympics.

All your hard years of training and effort have paid off Ivica!

...David
post #45 of 47
" It's DejaVu all over again"

I bet this moment touched a few others like it did us davesss.
post #46 of 47
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Originally Posted by dave_SSS
The most heartwarming thing I've yet seen in this Olympics was when silver medalist Ivica Kostelic completed his second slalom
Yeah, that struck me too. He was just happy over being assured a medal (at that point most likely bronze), and didn't seem to mind that he had fallen behind Ligety.

Unless I miss my guess, I don't think any Croatian other than Janica has ever won an Olympic alpine medal.

I also liked seeing how happy Ligety's teammates (Nyman and Macartney) were for him. After all, they were competing against him ... but they seemed about as excited as he was when he won.
post #47 of 47
That was a great final moment with Ligety and the Kostelics.

It hit me a few moments later that it was so powerful and emotion packed ... who got the bronze?
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