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post #1 of 47
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This is one of the few races we can follow live during normal US "awake" hours, since it's a full three-run deal. Eurosport is covering it in their usual live times + text comments format. They've just finished the first run of slalom.

With one run of slalom left, Ligety is currently third behind Raich and Kostelic, and in great position to medal. He was well off the pace in the DH, but ran the fastest first slalom run: 44.09 v. 44.23 for Raich, and the other times drop off pretty fast from there (44.61 Kostelic, 44.88 Rocca, everyone else over 45).

Just a back-of-the-envelope bit of arithmetic ... if the time margins happen to be exactly the same in the second slalom run:
Raich wins
Ligety finishes .72 behind him in second
Kostelic winds up .06 behind Ligety

The biggest threats to Ligety, I think, are:
1 - Schoenfelder, .18 behind Ligety now - a real slalom racer, but he didn't do so great in today's first run, with a 45.67, over a second and a half behind Ligety
2 - Albrecht, .27 behind Ligety - 45.31 in the first slalom run
3 - Rocca, .76 back - 44.88 first slalom
4 - Nerves, resulting in a DNF ... but Ligety has actually turned into a quite consistent and heady slalom racer this year, so I see him likely going home with a medal.

Macartney sits in 12th, Nyman in 17th.

Oh yeah ... that other American? DSQ, first slalom run.
post #2 of 47
You know although I like "that other american" for his rebellious nature, I have to admit that they should have sent someone else besides him who actually takes this seriously. In a way, he is a joke. A lot of talent but totally wasted. I guess there is a ski god as if he actually wins these things, the message he sends out to youth would not be so good "look, ski drunk, stoned, and crazy and you get rewared".
post #3 of 47
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Originally Posted by magnusPAH
I have to admit that they should have sent someone else besides him who actually takes this seriously. In a way, he is a joke. A lot of talent but totally wasted. I guess there is a ski god as if he actually wins these things, the message he sends out to youth would not be so good "look, ski drunk, stoned, and crazy and you get rewared".
There isn't any 'coaches discretion' within the Olympic qualification formula. Bode qualified through his race results over this season and last. As a result, he gets to ski in the Olympics.

On a side note, seeing Bode's run on the DH portion was pretty awe inspiring...everyone else was fighting the wind, losing time all the way down...and Bode made up time.
post #4 of 47
Well done Ted.
post #5 of 47
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Originally Posted by DangerousBrian
Well done Ted.
Amen. That guy hauled some serious ass down the second SL run. Blew me away.
post #6 of 47
Thread Starter 
Just saw the last run (7 racers anyway) on CBC, not-quite-live.

Ligety looked really solid and controlled, while still being very fast.

It looked like Raich was skiing with a clock in his head, but he was getting rough from time to time, and finally just lost it.

This bodes well for the slalom.
post #7 of 47
Suprise gold for...


Ligety!

I know this young guy has been on the rise, but this is still a nice surprise. Not sure if it is the huge emphasis US puts on Olympics, but over the years we seem to have a lot of alpine skiers who peak exceptionally well for The Games in comparison to the rest of their racing records. Diane Roffe also comes to mind. Anyway, hurrah for Ted.
post #8 of 47
Ted kicked ass, period.
post #9 of 47
At least it is not a complete loss. Thanks to Ted.....
post #10 of 47
Thread Starter 
For what it's worth, the combined times for just the slalom portion:

LIGETY Ted...........1:27.93 -
GRANGE Jean-B......1:28.46 0.53
ROCCA Giorgio.......1:29.35 1.42
KOSTELIC Ivica......1:29.44 1.51
BROLENIUS Johan...1:29.71 1.78
BOURGEAT Pierrick..1:29.94 2.01
BERTHOD Marc.......1:29.98 2.05
ALBRECHT Daniel....1:30.26 2.33
BANK Ondrej..........1:30.5 2.57
BAXTER Noel..........1:30.53 2.60
SCHOENFELDER R....1:30.65 2.72
JANSRUD Kjetil........1:30.77 2.84
LARSSON Markus.....1:31.12 3.19
GORZA Ales............1:31.6 3.67
VRABLIK Martin.......1:31.91 3.98
KUCERA John..........1:32.22 4.29
SIMARI BIRKNER C...1:32.61 4.68
KRYZL Krystof.........1:32.71 4.78
FILL Peter..............1:32.99 5.06
MACARTNEY Scott...1:32.99 5.06
HOROSHILOV A........1:33.11 5.18
JERMAN Andrej........1:33.18 5.25
BOURQUE Francois...1:33.75 5.82
VIDOSA Roger.........1:35.28 7.35
HEIMSCHILD Ivan.....1:35.29 7.36
SIROKI Tin..............1:35.41 7.48
CHESTAKOV Pavel....1:36.43 8.50
BABUSIAK J.............1:37.46 9.53
SEDIANKOV Mihail.....1:37.8 9.87
NYMAN Steve..........1:42.49 14.56
ZRNCIC-DIM Natko....1:42.92 14.99
SPRECHER Claudio.....1:43.07 15.14
SPORN Andrej...........1:43.86 15.93
NICOLAE F-D............1:46.08 18.15
MATT Mario..............1:47.7 19.77
post #11 of 47
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Originally Posted by magnusPAH
You know although I like "that other american" for his rebellious nature, I have to admit that they should have sent someone else besides him who actually takes this seriously. In a way, he is a joke. A lot of talent but totally wasted. I guess there is a ski god as if he actually wins these things, the message he sends out to youth would not be so good "look, ski drunk, stoned, and crazy and you get rewared".
the damning thing in my eyes is Bode's nonchalance about his olympic performances so far. if he's really that nonchalant about it all (based upon his post-race interviews and quotes), that tells me he's not much of a competitor or that he doesn't really care about the games - in which case he should have given up his spot on the team to another teammate. everyone can understand and excuse the fact that he might have had a bad race day but the fact that he's DQ or DNF in so many this year is an awfully telling statistic.

and if Bode's faking nonchalance to hide his disappointment, then he should stop putting up the fake front and just be honest with the press and himself.

anyways...i'm glad Ted stepped up to the plate.
post #12 of 47
Way to go Ted. Local PC boy!

Powdr
post #13 of 47
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Originally Posted by AlterEgo
the damning thing in my eyes is Bode's nonchalance about his olympic performances so far. if he's really that nonchalant about it all (based upon his post-race interviews and quotes), that tells me he's not much of a competitor or that he doesn't really care about the games - in which case he should have given up his spot on the team to another teammate. everyone can understand and excuse the fact that he might have had a bad race day but the fact that he's DQ or DNF in so many this year is an awfully telling statistic.

and if Bode's faking nonchalance to hide his disappointment, then he should stop putting up the fake front and just be honest with the press and himself.

anyways...i'm glad Ted stepped up to the plate.
i think Bode's trying to spread the message that it doesn't really matter whether or not you win. i think it's a more healthy perspective on things. face it, whether or not he wins any olympic medal... he will have raced in all five events and proabably have had a fun time. he's already proven himself to be the best racer in the world at one point, so he really doesn't need to gloat to anyone.

the fun in doing things is trying to push your limits and challenging yourself. I don't think bode is blowing smoke when he says that he's having a good time and not worried that he didn't medal. What would a gold medal even prove at this point?
post #14 of 47
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Originally Posted by GlenPlake
I don't think bode is blowing smoke when he says that he's having a good time and not worried that he didn't medal. What would a gold medal even prove at this point?
Well ... I'm sort of looking at this as an academic question (for one thing, I think Bode really does want to win), but just for the sake of discussion:

Let's say there are some other American guys who are pretty good racers and really, really do want at least to try to win a medal. Only four Americans can race.

Shouldn't Bode withdraw and give the guys who want to try a shot?
post #15 of 47
>>i think Bode's trying to spread the message that it doesn't really matter whether or not you win

by Bode's own admission, he hasn't skiied to his potential or his own expectations in the two events so far. it's one thing to say that "i did the best i could do, it just wasn't enough". but i don't think he's actually said or implied that.

sure the olympics is about sportsmanship, etc. imo, there are two levels of expectations & attitudes of athletes in the games. those that are happy to be there to partake of the experience and to be representing their country and those who share that attitude *along* with the desire to want to be the best and to demonstrate their excellence, ie. win a medal so that their accomplishments can be remembered by later generations of athletes.

maybe the fact that Bode already has a medal has dimmed his fire, i dunno. i just get the impression that he's not really that excited to be in the olympics...
post #16 of 47
Ligety Rocks!
post #17 of 47
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Originally Posted by gotamagal
Ligety Rocks!
Definitely.

And I'm excited to see what he does in the slalom -- Saturday, Feb. 25.
post #18 of 47
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Originally Posted by GlenPlake
the fun in doing things is trying to push your limits and challenging yourself. I don't think bode is blowing smoke when he says that he's having a good time and not worried that he didn't medal. What would a gold medal even prove at this point?
A gold might prove that he doesn't have to be like everyone else and be in bed by 11PM, train as hard, drink less, or bite his tongue when talking to the press. But, he probably doesn't have anything to prove and his confidence is still high.

I bet Peyton Manning loves getting to those playoff games. Now if he could just win one. Wonder what goes through that guys head for 4 months...
post #19 of 47

"10 things..."

by Nathaniel Vinton

http://www.skiracing.com/news/news_d...hp/3428/ALPINE

Wheaties box next?
post #20 of 47
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Originally Posted by GlenPlake
i think Bode's trying to spread the message that it doesn't really matter whether or not you win.
Then why start the clock?
post #21 of 47
I was glad to see ted win!!!!
post #22 of 47
Something I don't get about combined. Why just downhill and slalom? There's technique to GS that is important to skiing yet isn't present in either of those two disciplines. Some would argue, me included, that GS is the most technical of the diciplines as there is the closest connection subtlety of movement and time, and the fact that it blends turning perfection with being able to milk speed out of a course. Slalom is more of an explosive power event, and downhill is purely a speed event where "technique" (quotes are important there) isn't as much an issue as finding the fastest line down and holding it. Wouldn't a truer measure of combined skill be a run each of downhill/slalom/GS?
post #23 of 47
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Originally Posted by segbrown
Then why start the clock?
so you can race against yourself, trying to push your limits to better your own time.
post #24 of 47
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Originally Posted by magnusPAH
You know although I like "that other american" for his rebellious nature, I have to admit that they should have sent someone else besides him who actually takes this seriously. In a way, he is a joke. A lot of talent but totally wasted. I guess there is a ski god as if he actually wins these things, the message he sends out to youth would not be so good "look, ski drunk, stoned, and crazy and you get rewared".
Give the guy a break. He probably would have won the gold had he not straddled one of the slalom gates. He did very well in the DH, and was listed as the winner of that slalom event for about half an hour until review of the race film found he DQ'd...
post #25 of 47
fwiw, I think Bode takes this seriously. He might not be Joe Racerguy and anal compulsive about his career, but he's doing it the best way he knows how. And, while he might be a bit pig-headed, he's had success doing it his way in the past. He isn't obsessed with the sport like most of the other athletes. It's a blessing and a cross for him to bear. It lets him take chances that others won't because they're too worried about screwing their FIS points, and for him, the chances + his natural talent have produced enormously well. I'm not surprised at all that he DQ'd in the slalom today. He does it all the time. He's not a consistent racer, just an amazingly talented one.
post #26 of 47
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Originally Posted by GlenPlake
so you can race against yourself, trying to push your limits to better your own time.
Then set up a course in NH, and race against yourself over and over. No need to spend the money traveling all over the place!
post #27 of 47
Just saw the Ligety win during the prime time broadcast. I got the chills...so glad I didn't read this thread until now. He's gotta be the favorite going into the Slalom.
post #28 of 47
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Originally Posted by mnemosyne's lobotomy
Something I don't get about combined. Why just downhill and slalom? There's technique to GS that is important to skiing yet isn't present in either of those two disciplines. Some would argue, me included, that GS is the most technical of the diciplines as there is the closest connection subtlety of movement and time, and the fact that it blends turning perfection with being able to milk speed out of a course. Slalom is more of an explosive power event, and downhill is purely a speed event where "technique" (quotes are important there) isn't as much an issue as finding the fastest line down and holding it. Wouldn't a truer measure of combined skill be a run each of downhill/slalom/GS?
Why don't they add super G too? Then they might as well give the gold medal to Bode.

Personally, I like Bode. All Olympic athletes are cookie cutter boring--"Oh, I'm so lucky to be here, I'm proud to represent my country, I just want to thank everyone for believing in me, cliche cliche, cliche, blah blah blah." I saw Michelle Kwan's interview with Bob Costas. One euphemized cliche after another with a few tears put in for good measure. Booooring. Bode puts a spin on things--he's not afraid to be different. Yea, he's arrogant but so what? When youre the best skier in the world, you've earned a right to brag.

The fact that he can come to the Olympics and kinda act nonchalant about the whole thing shows his experience. It shows that he's been there, done that, and he's not afraid to let you know. Bode has done more for American ski racing than anyone else alive. He's the reason why we're all skiing on shaped skis, for goodness sakes. He has put American ski racing back on the map.
post #29 of 47

Park City boy does good

Park City local boy gets gold!!

Four years ago (I was working on the mountain at the time) he was a pre-runner up in Park City at 2002 Olympics dreaming of just being on the team. Next Olympics - Gold medal!

Although a lot of slalom specialists don't do the combined, you can bet after Ted's performance today the world will be watching to see how he does in the slalom. Maybe a second medal?
post #30 of 47
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Originally Posted by mnemosyne's lobotomy
Something I don't get about combined. Why just downhill and slalom?
The beauty of the combined is that the events are so opposite to each other and require such variety of talent to win. A more practical thing is that the combined is normally held on one day - to include GS along with DH and slalom all on the same day would be ridiculous. To make the combined a multi-day event would make it very difficult to fit in with the other four events. It makes sense the way it is.
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