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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I'm wondering how often you folks have your skis tuned/sharpened. I'm doing a little analysis about the wisdom of buying skis vs. paying for demos. In my area, high performance demo skis can be rented for $20.00 to $25.00 per day--freshly tuned. I observe that this is the same price as a ski tune at a prof. shop. Now, considering the initial $600-$1200 outlay for skis/bindings and depending on how often I might have my gear tuned, it just may be more economical to rent demos then to buy new gear and keep it tuned. So, what do you think? How often do you tune--every time you ski, every other time, every 5th time? Consider the big initial investment and see if this argument makes sense.
post #2 of 11
I like to tune so I do a touch up before every ski day by using files and rubbing on hard wax and corking it. Every once in a while I use a carbide side file, some p-tex, and maybe a hot wax if it really needs it. The edges should only need to be set once by using a ceramic machine and then it should just need maintenance unless you put a nasty gash in it.

You should only get the base ground if there is alot of damage and it's uneven or if the base is worn after a season of skiing. I guess if you ski alot you may need it twice a season.

You can get everything you need to do basic tunes for pretty cheap.

I think that some shops do not tune their demos after every use. Maybe a quick stone to get some nicks and rust off but I doubt they do a full tune eac time.

I like to tune as I think it is part of the skiing experience but that's just me.
post #3 of 11
"I'm wondering how often you folks have your skis tuned/sharpened."
Depends who's doing the tuning. Most shops just run them through the machine. Do that often enough, and you won't have much left after a couple of seasons. On the other hand, a careful de-burring, touch up, and wax can keep them the skiing machine they're supposed to be, and discover preventative maintenance opportunities that could save you grief later. There's another thread somewhere on tuning where neglect is deemed harmless, though I've had bad edges let me down. Like Scalce, I enjoy the process, the touching, the familiarity with my vehicle.

"I'm doing a little analysis about the wisdom of buying skis vs. paying for demos."
The problem isn't the $ cost, but the time in the various queues for the process. I'd rather spend it skiing. Although skis do make a difference, at a certain point you'll make more progress "running what you brung," that is, learning the characteristics of your skiis, maximizing their strengths and avoiding their weaknesses. Find a a ski you like, buy it, then rent when conditions require it. Getting to know your bindings is important, too.

"Now, considering the initial $600-$1200 outlay for skis/bindings and depending on how often I might have my gear tuned, it just may be more economical to rent demos then to buy new gear and keep it tuned."
How often do you ski? Do the math. Many recreational skiers would be money ahead if they just rented for their few day trips and one vacation. Me, I have 7 pairs--4 race, 3 for fun--but its my sport, and I live 30 mins. from the mtn..

"How often do you tune--every time you ski, every other time, every 5th time?"
As conditions warrant and my time permits. Nothing beats a fresh coat of the right wax.

Downhill Dave
Gravity's Friend
post #4 of 11
Edges sharpened and base repair: as needed

waxing: I use hot wax every 3rd to 4th day. In between I apply a little (a very, very light film) paste wax.

Waxing... Nothing will make your skiing more enjoyable and keep your skis performance at their best when you have the glide factor going.

[ September 05, 2003, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: mr x ]
post #5 of 11
The rule of thumb is 'Tune and/or wax your skis when it is required'. That said, it is up to you. A ski in perfect condition is a much better tool than one which has no edge sharpness or wax in the base. I will wax my skis after they have been used, regardless if it is a whole day of skiing or just a few runs. At that time, I'll check the edges and sharpen or polish as needed.
post #6 of 11
I skiied 100+ days last year. I'm guessing that at most, I got 5 tunes. I wax them myself, but I'd rather have the pros do the other stuff.
post #7 of 11
I'd wager I'm as bad as it gets when it comes to tuning my skis (despite working in a shop for a season.) My alpine skis have been tuned three times in 4 years. I have about 160 days on them. My K2 Totally Piste tele skis had one initial tune and I have about 60 days on them. Previous to that were some Atomics that went a season without a tune.

If you're getting a tune at a shop every 8 - 10 days on the skis then it's overkill. Just get some simple tools and do some basic maintenance yourself. A small edge sharpener to remove burrs and some hard wax will go a long way.
post #8 of 11
i think tuning your own equipment is part of the fun of skiing! i get a kick out of working on my own gear, be it dragging a file, waxing, or whatever... a few minutes of work (with a cold brewski or whatever your own preferred beverage is) the night before gives you a much better apprecciation for all things 'ski' the next day! you can learn as little or as much as you want and for a basic tunning set up, you can get by fairly cheap, especially considering what shops charge. once or twice a season, you can take your sticks in and have any major work done that you can[t do yourself.

i think you will find that you enjoy, and actually look forward to the pre-ski tuning evenings, i know i do, and you will learn a lot more about how you like your stuff tuned, adn how you want it to perform, rather than just dropping it off and picking it up later, with no clue as to what has been done or why... [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #9 of 11
I agree with all here. I used to think the same thing...that you could just rent high end skis and come out ahead, especially since I was only skiing 7-10 days per season. Then reality hit home. I was usually skiing in mid-March and the "high-end demo" skis were actually worn out rags that other skiers had abused for the whole season.

Nothing beats your own sticks, lovingly cared for. You can get the basics for tuning at several places. I personally bought from Tognar Toolworks

http://www.tognar.com/

and was very happy with their service and free-flowing advice.
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
O.K. guys, I think you've convinced me that tuning is not that much of an issue and that I don't need to spend big money on tuning and that this will prob not offset the the cost of rentals and yes, I DO want a new pair of boards. So, I prob will buy a new pair, but I will offer one more thought in favor of high end demos. Since I can't afford to buy "a quiver" I would have to settle for one ski under all conditions. However, if I were to rent high end demos, I would be able to select skis based on the prevailing conditions. I would have access to thin waisted sloloms and racy GS ski for the New England "Blue Powder". I would be able to choose wide waisted crudbusters for spring skiing and a bump machine if I feel like doing moguls. I would never be able to assemble such a selection at home. I know there are a selection of "do everything" skis but I am sure none really do everything as well as the specialty skis. So what do you. Live with one pair and make it work in all conditions or rent specific demos apropos to the day.
post #11 of 11
First - many shop tunes are a quick base inspection and a pass through the machine. The only tune worth paying for is a hand tune, even if the initial flattening and structure is done by machine. So we have a shop tune to start the season. Tha get's us flat and good structure applied to the base (PAC Northwest is pretty wet so structure is good). Then I do the edges depending on the snow. It's icy, I pay attention, It's soft & wet - I just de-bur and maybe dull them up a bit tip's & tails for better release. I do our waxing.

My motto - a good tune can make a mediocre ski, ski just fine! A mediocre tune can make a great ski, ski like crap! WHy chance wasting a trip to the hill over a crappy tune - DIY

On the quiver thing ... 1 main ski (Solly X-Scream does it for me although that might change this year as they are getting old) and then a powder board. I scored a pair of AK Launchers on EBay for $250 shipped. Slapped on an old set of M48's. Had to bend the brakes out to the side a bit but other than that they work fine. Keep an eye out there and expand your quiver on the cheap.
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