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post #61 of 77
Well, I'm going to be in Breck tomorrow afternoon and you can bet I'm gonna bring my galloshes with the big grippers on the bottoms.

don'tneednostinkinice!
post #62 of 77
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Originally Posted by Powdr
....and Park City and Sun Valley and.....

You should see the glacier I have on my driveway. I've tried MgCL, pick axes, anything I could my hands on. Soon as I make any sort of headway, it snows again and I'm back to square. It's gonna be 'till may before that thing is completely gone.
I was thinking about this thread this afternoon when I was out dutifully hacking away at the ice/snow block also known as my back stoop. It kind of made me laugh, thinking that I should have it all cleared off by now. When it's snow-free, the Wonder Dog doesn't come close to seeing over the top of the fence that encloses the stoop. Now, she can almost see over the top of the fence and, with a running start, bet she could jump it!
post #63 of 77
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Originally Posted by Rick
Hey, Jake,,, if you ever need to do it again, take 10 seconds and just toss some rock salt on it.
Actually, I've done the same thing my parents eventually did: sworn off EVER buying a house that doesn't have a south facing driveway . But, this again goes back to the environmental question: what impact does a whole town being aggressive with salt have on the surrounding environment? I honestly don't know the answer to that one. I do know that occassionally using it (like in the above referenced incident) = probably nothing, but a large scale use? I just don't know.

It's kind of like the anti-ice spray that they started using on the highways along the front range about 10 years ago: shortly after they started using it, there certainly seemed to be a lot of previously healthy pine/spruce trees near roadways that started dying off. I don't know if it was the spray, increased emissions from more vehicles, trees whose health was questionable because of the drought, or all three (all three is actually my guess), but there sure seemed to be a noticeable and immediate (well, within a year) impact when that spray started being used extensively by CDOT.

So yeah, there's a bag of rock salt in my garage for occassional and limited use, but I don't think I would ever advocate extensive, wide-spread use of it...

J
post #64 of 77
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Originally Posted by vinn
...Hm. Maybe instead of replying to this thread and potentially making myself sound like a whiny bitch I should just invent some studded rubber covers that can be slipped over a pair of shoes. Maybe there's an untapped market of suckers in Breck who'd buy them.
They're called YakTracks (sp?). But since a (female) friend of mine uses them who occasionally lurks here, I don't think they're for suckers.
post #65 of 77
Thread Starter 
Ok I give up uncle. Ice is a precious natural resource in breck. It forms quicker last longer than any other place on the planet. It should be protected and nourished at all cost least it disappear in the spring not to return until September. Obviously making breck a better and safer place to shop and dine is way out of the scope of life on that mountain. thats ok next time I will stay in Dillon or Frisco ski breck but eat and shop somewhere that welcomes my hard earned money!

as far Colorado libility check this out!Page 1
City of Westminster Colorado Municipal Code
6/93 9-3-1
9-3-3
CHAPTER 3
REMOVAL OF SNOW AND/OR ICE
9-3-1: VIOLATION; NUISANCE DECLARED
9-3-2: NOTICE; FAILURE TO COMPLY
9-3-3: CIVIL LIABILITY
9-3-1: VIOLATION; NUISANCE DECLARED:
(A) It shall be unlawful for any person to allow snow or ice to remain on any sidewalk open to the public and
abutting or adjoining the property controlled, owned or occupied by such person after 12:00 noon of the second day
following the day of the last measurable snow fall or snow drift. (1805 2100)
(B) Any violation of this section which constitutes an emergency presenting imminent danger of serious injury to
persons or property is hereby declared to be a public nuisance which may be summarily abated pursuant to Section 8-
4-4 and 8-4-5, WMC. (1805 2100)
9-3-2: NOTICE; FAILURE TO COMPLY:
(A) In the event that the provisions of this Chapter are violated, the City Manager or his authorized representative
may cause to be served upon the owner, occupant or the person in control of the property, either personally or by
mail, or by means of posting the property, a notice stating: "You are notified that, as owner or tenant of property
abutting or adjoining a public sidewalk, you are required to remove snow or ice from all such sidewalks within
twenty-four (24) hours of this notice. Failure to remove snow or ice from the public sidewalk within twenty-four
(24) hours of this notice may result in the issuance of a summons and complaint or the City may remove such snow
or ice and assess the cost against the premises abutting the sidewalk, or both." Such notice shall be sent to the record
owner of the property at his last known address. In any case, the posting of such property by the City shall be
deemed adequate notice for the City's removal of the snow or ice and placement of a lien upon the property. (1805
2100)
(B) If the person upon whom said notice is served fails, neglects or refuses to correct the violation within twenty-
four (24) hours after service or posting of the notice or in the event no person can be found in the City who either is
or claims to be the owner of such lot or land, or who represents or claims to represent such owner, the City may cause
the snow or ice to be removed and the actual cost of such removal plus ten percent (10%) for inspection and other
administrative costs in connection therewith, shall be assessed and collected as specified in Title I, Chapter 31 of this
Code. The City may also cause a summons and complaint to be served upon the owner, occupant or person in
control of the property. (1805 2100)
9-3-3: CIVIL LIABILITY: Any person who controls, owns or occupies property that abuts or adjoins any
sidewalk open to the public owes a duty to all persons using such sidewalk to comply with the provisions of this
Chapter. Any person injured by the breach of such duty shall have a cause of action for damages against the person
who failed to comply with such duty, it being the express intent of this Section to impose civil liability on private
property owners for injuries incurred on public sidewalks within the City as a result of a failure by any such private
property owner to comply with this Chapter. (1805 2100)
post #66 of 77
What does Westminster (a Denver suburb) have to do with Breck?
post #67 of 77
Thread Starter 
GEEE both are in the state of Colorado????

discussing Colorado liability laws concerning side walks!
post #68 of 77
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Originally Posted by kcmcleary
Ok I give up uncle. Ice is a precious natural resource in breck. It forms quicker last longer than any other place on the planet.
Actually I think it's been established that the ice problem also occurred at other ski resorts during the same time period including Steamboat. But you're obviously not too keen on the logic thing.

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It should be protected and nourished at all cost least it disappear in the spring not to return until September. Obviously making breck a better and safer place to shop and dine is way out of the scope of life on that mountain. thats ok next time I will stay in Dillon or Frisco ski breck but eat and shop somewhere that welcomes my hard earned money!
Breck has plenty of happy guests. Our lodging has been completely sold out all winter. Our resturaunts are booked solid every night. The people who work in this town do the best they can including the snow removal crews.

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as far Colorado libility check this out!
Westminster has probably had about 25 inches of snow this year and they probably don't even own a sidewalk plow. Breck's had about 340 inches. The Breck town code is online too if you'd like to review it.

Good luck on your next vacation. Hopefully it will be far, far, FAR, F A R, away from here.

Steve
post #69 of 77
Thread Starter 
checked out town code no mention of ice snow or side walk maintenance!

according to Breckenridge ski snow report only 299 inch's of snow so far this year!

some people see problems, some solutions, others just go through life with blinders on.

fact of life is the safer and more accommodating the business district/shopping district the more tourist will have a positive experience there and want to return. (this is my one and only point I am attempting to make here) Any negative aspect will have a negative effect on people returning to the area.

Its your town the mountain will always call people in and you have a great town with many great shops and restaurants.

If I were as fortunate as you to live in such a great town I would be talking to the city council and charge them and the local law enforcement to identify unsafe icy conditions along the towns business districts side walks and find some way to eliminate the public hazard. Because I would be getting tired of kicking all the tourist in the head sprawled out all over town on the side walk.

But seriously the problems I wittiness were very small areas of town possibly were driveways crossed the side walks. I would say 80-90 percent of the side walks were scraped clean. Which made the problem area's even more of a surprise. A small amount of sand or use decomposing granite for all I care would have gone a long way in making this problem go away!

Fact is from what I have read about Colorado liability concerning side walk maintenance if you do nothing you can not be found liable for damages but once you remove some it seems you must remove all or the property owner may be liable for any damages someone receives in a fall on a public side walk adjoining private property.
post #70 of 77
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Originally Posted by kcmcleary
according to Breckenridge ski snow report only 299 inch's of snow so far this year!
They do not report October snowfall accurately at Breck. I always measure snowfall at my house until Breck's first report so that I know more accurately how much we get. The report is about 40" short if all of the October snowfall is included. I suspect they do it on purpose because the first storms rain on Vail/BC and Vail Resorts wants Vail to have a higher total early to entice holiday bookings. But why am I telling you? You are surely the expert on Colorado snow and ice!

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Fact is from what I have read about Colorado liability concerning side walk maintenance if you do nothing you can not be found liable for damages but once you remove some it seems you must remove all or the property owner may be liable for any damages someone receives in a fall on a public side walk adjoining private property.
If you sued from a slip on ice at a colorado ski resort town you'd be laughed out of court.

Steve
post #71 of 77
This just shows that flatlanders ought to stay on flat land.
Welcome to the united states of America
May the Ice stay forever and you have to take a no account job to support your skiing habbit some day


Yes Ive been drinkin................Goin to Keystone tommorro.............Hope theres no snow.....So I dont fall down:
post #72 of 77
Westminster has only had about 6-8 inches of snow this year, BTW. I added my two cents.
post #73 of 77
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Originally Posted by kcmcleary
according to Breckenridge ski snow report ONLY 299 inch's of snow so far this year!
"only" being the operative word and as breckview already stated, they don't tally the snowfall in October.

since you're so resourceful, you should look up the town ordinance on ice removal for the town of Cortez, CO.:
post #74 of 77
darn....

sona my b--itch


lost it again---

crap---know it's here somewhere......

Has anybody seen the Global Warming thread ....It was just here a few months ago ..

I know it's here somewhere.
post #75 of 77
Thread Starter 
I did find Friscos's code on line .

Sidewalks: The Town of Frisco will provide sidewalk clearing in the Core Area of Town and a majority of the bikepaths. We do ask property owners that if sidewalks are not in the best of condition, they assist us in keeping them clear of snow and ice so that pedestrians can be assured of safe travel.
post #76 of 77
 Breckenridge is the cutest, most quaint… but at the same time utterly majestic… town that I have ever seen in my entire life! And I’ve done a lot of travelling! My husband and I decided to venture out to the snowy lands of Colorado in March for our honeymoon. We both grew up in California, and had visited the beach scene countless times, so we decided to try something a little different for our honeymoon. We had friends that had been to Colorado skiing, but had never been there ourselves. Although we had heard many good things, we both consider ourselves to be beach people through and through, and I honestly wasn’t sure if I could take the change of scenery. But let me tell you! Not only could I stand it for a week, I seriously (maybe if I actually learn how to make it down a mountain without falling flat on my face, that is) could spend a lot of time there. It’s absolutely beautiful. Besides being a little ill-equipped for the cold (I think I drastically underestimated how many layers I would need!), we had a blast. The only thing I had on my head was some hat may husband found on some skiing website (www.SkiCandy.com maybe?) and an old helmet I borrowed from a friend. My husband ordered himself a winter jacket off of e-bay, and I brought a Columbia vest my mom had given to me a few years ago for Christmas. To anyone who is not used to the cold… TAKE A TON OF CLOTHES IF YOU VENTURE INTO THE COLORADO MOUNTAINS!!! I almost froze my butt off!  I talked to a guy on a lift who had been in Breckenridge his whole life. Besides the cold…I don’t blame him for not wanting to leave! But I suppose once you get used to that, the scenery of the place would make even the coldest winters worthwhile. I would highly recommend a visit!!!

 

post #77 of 77
What an odd bump! 
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