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post #31 of 40
Takes a bit of practice to take clean carved turns outside of a course where they can just happen haphazardly, then figure out how to make them happen to the same quality within the confines of gates.

DC, I like your self critique regarding long leg/short leg. This is key to obtaining the edge angles needed to carve through a course. In this run you were skiing with your CM too much over the top of your skis (laterally speaking), and turning your skis, rather than just rolling your skis on edge and letting them turn you. This is common for new racers, even if they can carve great turns while free skiing. They just haven't yet developed the confidence to arc in a course and trust the skis will take them where they must go.

That's the biggest thing you need to work on, the thing that will quickly take your handicap into the teens. I don't even care that much right now about how far off the poles you were. Keep the same foot distance from gate but arc your turns instead of power steering them and your time will drop significantly. Much more than keeping the steering but moving closer to the gate ever could.

And moving in on the pole as a first priority could even have negative consequences. If you move too close to the pole you restrict your ability to achieve high edge angles because there's no room to move the CM inside. You'll thereby be left with no options other than steering. Start off by focusing on rolling onto a clean edge (no pre-carve steering), flexing the inside knee to ramp up the edge angle, riding a clean carve, centering your arc's apex at the turning pole, and staying comfortably away from the turning pole. Once you're arcing clean, well placed turns, you can try moving in on the gates.

Want to practice? Make a free run doing quality arc to arc carves, then have someone come down right behind you and poke small sticks into the snow right at the apex of each arc, about two feet inside your inside ski track. Then go up and duplicate your turns, following your tracks. Presto, you're arcing quality turns through gates.
post #32 of 40
Thread Starter 
Ok, now this is getting to the crux - leave it to Rick :

Rick keyed right in on the most important self critique of D's, Long leg, short leg. This addresses the CM moving to the inside of the new turn and creating edge angles that will allow the skis to arc rather than the racer standing over their feet and steering or turning their skis around the course.

In an earlier post discussing Slalom turns we had a skier that was having line issues and the same idea came out - make a clean turn first then work on line. Correct.

Rick is right, trying to "get on the gates" before one learns to tip the skis and ski a clean arc is counter productive, it usually ends up with the new racer banking (dropping the inside shoulder), getting pinched (too straight at the gate) and stuck with hips over the feet.

Starting the turn higher and earlier and just as importantly, skiing a higher rise line will help move the skier towards a more patient rounder arc. But this alone will not get the racer tipping the skis and/or projecting the CM down course letting the skis move out way from under the body (Arc to arc).

So here's the million dollar question is how do we get the lower level to intermediate level racer to let those skis move out away from them (Rick's Arc to Arc skiing) while keeping their CM moving more directly down course (not speaking of line, think of concentric circles, the skis on a larger outside ring the CM moving down a smaller inside ring).

Rick has given us one excercise working on turn shape but has not yet addressed how we get a skier DTC (Direct To Carve) - just kidding about that Seriously, how we get the skier to first tip the skis, then be patient letting the turn develop and then using stacking, alignment and balance to effect the turn shape demanded by the course set.

Rick is correct again, first we take it outside of the course. Then there is a process of bringing the skills developed in the free environment into the turn-on-demand race course.

Any ideas? Again, I am just stimulating discussion.
post #33 of 40
It can be really really frustrating for a pro who KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT to do, but just can not get the body to do it. But it's also very instructive because our students go through kind of the same thing when we "yell" corrections at them over and over. The solution is mileage and/or misdirection. The really good instructors/coaches will recognize when mileage alone will not solve the problem. They reach into their bag of tricks and say "sneeze as you round the gate" and magically you automatically pick the right line into the next gate because "sneezing" (or whatever) in one place removes the mental block in another place that was causing the problem. Because of the magic of misdirection, it's awful hard to let mileage alone solve the problem (e.g. not bad - but that was not it, don't worry, you know what to do, you CAN do it, try it again).
post #34 of 40
Loosen up.
Stop trying to be picturebook.
Get some speed and drop the hip.
Freeski. Freeski.
Relax. But be active and aggressive.
If you can't not think it through,
try a different model (other than instructor's).
Too passive.
post #35 of 40
Thread Starter 
Got to get out to the hill to run the Putt-putt course and spank some USSA Juniors and big bully Masters.

Upon my return, if nobody else hits it I'll post a simple "tipping" sequence that is sure to get anybody standing correctly over their skis AND start turns with a carve.

I'll leave you with this. In modern GS skiing the racers are "inclinating" during the "Power phase" of the turn more than years past. Actually they start inclinating at the top 1/3 of the turn. So why? Where has the old separation of the upper body and lower body gone? Keep in mind this is ABOVE the gate, positions that photographers shoot at the gate can be deceiving for a host of reasons.

Inclination at the middle of the turn (banking, noooo), hmmmmm,,,,,

Of course, without working out a full nomenclature for what I just said this can earsily be taken WAY out of context

D's turns were more GS turns than Slalom turns, this is why I bring this up.
post #36 of 40
Pick any slalom race and watch Rocca. He's poetry in motion. Especially look at his Kransjka Gora race at 26 to 30 seconds, and the corresponding shot on his second run. What is he doing with his feet and how does he achieve that? That should be the goal for all of us.

The elements of skiing that Rocca shows are what we all should be doing in every turn to the degree we can and are suitable for where we're skiing. There is nothing in his skiing that we should not do on every turn.

post #37 of 40
Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy
The elements of skiing that Rocca shows are what we all should be doing in every turn to the degree we can and are suitable for where we're skiing. There is nothing in his skiing that we should not do on every turn.

Ken, I agree with you on the quality of Rocca's skiing, there's not a better slalom model in the world today. But remember that in WC slalom skiing the vast majority of turns include a transitional pivot, Rocca's included. It's serves those guys well, but it's the nemesis of rec skiers who are struggling to achieve arc to arc (high C edge engagement for you guys from PMTSville) transitions/turns.
post #38 of 40
Thread Starter 
And all those who do what Rocca does in every turn please raise your hands

And with that brilliant statement I take my leave :
post #39 of 40
Not bad for the first run. I'd be more aggressive and attack the gates.

Looks like you could drive your hips and edge more, and the gates are far enough apart you could be in more of a tuck and drive with the hips and ankles.

Silevr's not bad dchan, how much did you need to shave for a gold?
post #40 of 40
Originally Posted by Lars

Silevr's not bad dchan, how much did you need to shave for a gold?
I'm happy with a safe run... needed to shave about 1.5 seconds to get a gold. I got a gold in Vail 2 years ago.

I had fun, that was most important
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