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Atomic SL changes?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I'm just wondering how much Atomic SL skis have changed in the last few years. I have a 2003 Dynamic VR17 which is basically same ski as old 9:12 I believe -- love it but it is getting tired. I'd also like to try an SL ski w/ a different feel -- have been thinking about Elan or Fischer..anyway I'm wodnering if they have changed signifciantly in last few years or if I'd be getting prettyl close to what I have now..
post #2 of 17
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Originally Posted by Lodro
I'm just wondering how much Atomic SL skis have changed in the last few years. I have a 2003 Dynamic VR17 which is basically same ski as old 9:12 I believe -- love it but it is getting tired. I'd also like to try an SL ski w/ a different feel -- have been thinking about Elan or Fischer..anyway I'm wodnering if they have changed signifciantly in last few years or if I'd be getting prettyl close to what I have now..
The SL11 series SL11.12 SL11 & SL11M are a completely different ski then the SL9 series. Not remotely similar shape or construction.
post #3 of 17
What's happenning with the race stock ski?
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
The SL11 series SL11.12 SL11 & SL11M are a completely different ski then the SL9 series. Not remotely similar shape or construction.
OK...not what I was asking.. (I'd want the SL9 prob. because it is deeper sidecut.)
post #5 of 17
I believe I saw that the radius as changed quite a bit, from being one of the longest SLs offered at 14m to being right in line with everyone else at 12m. Since marked radius doesn't take into account the flex of the ski, I'd assume the radius dropped because the sidecut is a bit more shapely this year. Of course, this is only for the consumer models that have come out so far... I've heard nothing about race stock.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Lodro
OK...not what I was asking.. (I'd want the SL9 prob. because it is deeper sidecut.)
Ok fine! Be more specific then. You didn't specifically ask about the SL9. You said Atomic slalom.

Wider in the tip. 11m turn raidus in a 150, 160, 12 in a 170.

For what it's worth which is probably nothing, I never liked the SL9, especially in a a 160.
post #7 of 17
In Atomic, the recent historical progression of models was something like:

9.16 -> SL11 - A slalom race ski
9.12 -> SL9 - A slalom race carver

My limited understanding is that there was a pretty significant design change between the 9.16 and the SL11, including a drop in sidecut radius from something in the 14-16 range to 12 or so ... but there was less of a change from the 9.12 to the SL9. Just looking at some notes (which I think are right), it looks like the 2003 9.12 and the 2004 SL9 have the same, or very similar dimensions. They've made some further changes to the SL9 since then (a little more sidecut, I think), but it's in the same ballpark.

Bottom line: if you're looking for 2006 ski that's similar to your Dynamics, the SL9 would be a good bet (and, of course, if you're looking for something different, start elsewhere).
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks SJ -- that's what I wanted to know. Perhpas I should have been clearer AS but I wanted to know exactly this - for a given model, what general changes have occurred in construction design etc.., e.g. 9:12 -> SL9, 9:16 -> SL11. Anywho..I'm looking for a ski that has a shorter radius but is perhaps a little burlier - as they have tightened up the SL11 that might be a good bet.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by Lodro
Thanks SJ -- that's what I wanted to know. Perhpas I should have been clearer AS but I wanted to know exactly this - for a given model, what general changes have occurred in construction design etc.., e.g. 9:12 -> SL9, 9:16 -> SL11. Anywho..I'm looking for a ski that has a shorter radius but is perhaps a little burlier - as they have tightened up the SL11 that might be a good bet.
they have not tightened up the SL11, in fact it has a bigger radius then in the past. Llast 2 seasons 165 SL11m is 14.5.

Previously it was called the SL11.12 & had a 12 meter radius in a 165.

(i have both skis in the garage)

SJ was saying they tightened up the radisu compared to the old 9.16, which had construction material (hypercarbon power channels) more like the SL9.12 but skied more like the SL11 which had less shape and had power channels titanium. the newer skis (last two season have magnesium power channels, hence the SL11m designation.

The ski you might want to consider is the ST11 (Blue/Wht) it has and 11/11/12m radius in 15/160/170 lengths.
post #10 of 17
My Rep buddy was showing me his new SL12 for next year. Red and White, with matching plate. The red in the plate is like a silicone rubber. He also had next years Atomic X100 boot. Kind of black and orange, he likes the softer flex.

I didn't talk to him last night to see how he liked the skis, thought I would see him on the hill yesterday, but not.

But he is a Atomic man though and through. Everything he wears has Atomic on it.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
they have not tightened up the SL11, in fact it has a bigger radius then in the past. Llast 2 seasons 165 SL11m is 14.5.
Huh. The 0506 race catalog is showing 165 m w/ a 12.2. But website shows 160 at 14. So it looks like the "m"'s are shaplier. Too stiff for freeskiing ya think? OTOH the ST sounds kinda soft but thx for the recommend. Wish I could try em.
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by Lodro
Huh. The 0506 race catalog is showing 165 m w/ a 12.2. But website shows 160 at 14. So it looks like the "m"'s are shaplier. Too stiff for freeskiing ya think? OTOH the ST sounds kinda soft but thx for the recommend. Wish I could try em.
Since you were interested in replacing the SL9 and never mentioned Rqce Stock skis, I gave you the consumer version radius , not the race stock dimensions.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Since you were interested in replacing the SL9 and never mentioned Rqce Stock skis, I gave you the consumer version radius , not the race stock dimensions.
Gotcha. So the S11m isn't going to be a good freeskier at all then? I know, if I have to ask..but I have access on Atomic and want stiffer than the old 9:12 but not crazy stiff and I want a smaller radius.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Lodro
Gotcha. So the S11m isn't going to be a good freeskier at all then? I know, if I have to ask..but I have access on Atomic and want stiffer than the old 9:12 but not crazy stiff and I want a smaller radius.
Well, as you know it is all about personal 'taste'. i skied on my older boys a couple of years ago SL11.12 Race stock(big square beta lobes and very beefy 165cm last saturday) I absolutely love that ski!

I thought our old SL9.12 were very stiff(we had 4 pair & sold them all. None of the 3 of us liked them. But they were the year before the SL11 first came out before Aerospeed. I have always thought the SL11 is a much superior ski to the SL9. Smoother, more versatile and way more stable, but still very quick & better edge hold. I love freeskiing on the SL11 or SL11m, my younger son has 2 pair of SL11m. Particualrly the 165's.

In fact I liked the older SL11.12 Race stock (we also have 2 pair of those) so much, I was gonna try to find another pair just to save for when these wear out! Now with that said it was a groomer day here in the great PNW, sunny and very hard, icy in places, snow. The SL11 sliced & diced that stuff with no speed limit, like i was on some PC, UT packed powder!
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info -- very helpful!
post #16 of 17
I picked up a pair of 04/05 SL11s this season. All I do is free ski. I was looking for a shorty-turny ski and this is it! I don't find the ski to be too stiff, in fact it's a blast to ski. If you have the means- I highly suggest picking up a pair.
post #17 of 17
ive skied the 05/06 fischer sl race dpt 166 with gate tips there awesome but just about to buy the atomic sl12 155 there even better i think but they tend to wash otu if not super shard mu fischers didnt but im heavy and tall so might be why also the atomics are stiffer yet will flex further when pushed harder but im thinkignt he sl12 are better.
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