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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Looking for a ski with these characteristics:
75mm - 80mm waist
14m - 16m sidecut (possibly even a super sidecut) in a ~170ish length
medium flex (not super stiff, but not a "noodle" either)
damp, quiet on the snow (low vibration)
not super heavy, but not a lightweight either!

I've ridden quite a few skis this season and I'm finally realizing what I want in my ideal ski. I'll be researching this a bit myself, but thought I'd get a head start from the Bears so please share your advice. I'm keeping an open mind and am willing to try stuff I normally would have a second thought about.

On paper, the Elan M666 looks like it should've been good, but it wasn't quite right for me (I didn't like the on snow feel on the hardpack). The Elan S12 has a much damper feel (I rode it most of the day yesterday) so it's not that I don't like Elans in general. The new Stockli Rotor looks interesting and could possibly fit the bill.
post #2 of 27
Thread Starter 
Volkl Unlimited AC4 - A bit wider than my specs, but I guess I need to get back on this ski and compare it to some of mine.
post #3 of 27
Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel
Elan Magfire 12
post #4 of 27
Fischer AMC 76 170 cm R= 16 m
The radius is longer at longer lengths, and shorter at shorter lengths. It skis almost identically to the Nordica Top Fuel. I have the AMC 76 at 176 cm, which has a radius of 17 m. It's a great ski. The Nordica's good too.
post #5 of 27
Sounds like a 167 Apache Recon
post #6 of 27
Head im77?
post #7 of 27
The Head i.M77 (Chip or non-chip) would have been my suggestion as well. Fits the specifications quite well, and you can see which you prefer - chip or non-chip both have the same measurements, just vary in flex/dampness.
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
Responses to the suggested skis:

1. Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel - heard that it's pretty stiff and I don't really like the Marker binding system on it, but I'll probably give it a shot.
2. Elan Magfire 12 - virtually identical to the M666 that I returned.
3. Fischer AMC 76 - interesting, but I really wonder if I'll like the feel of the Air Carbon core instead of wood.
4. K2 Apache Recon - my ESA coach rode these so I may give them a shot (but they have the Marker system again - boo).
5. Head i.M 77 - I seriously considered this ski before I purchased the Elan M666. I really wanted to demo them earlier this season, but they were never available. In the shop they seem to be fairly stiff, especially through the tail, but considering how much I seem to like a damp feeling ski I should probably try this one out too.

Thanks to everyone so far.
post #9 of 27
Hehe, can you see yourself on a Genesis M2?
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by comprex
Hehe, can you see yourself on a Genesis M2?
It's really a shame what has happened to Volant. I have wondered what these skis are like now that they've scrapped the wood core (that McConkey brought to the design). I do like the feel of a Volant - nice and damp with great torsional stiffness without being overly stiff lengthwise.

Can the new Volant's even be found at any kind of discount? Are they even worth considering if you don't have a 7 figure income? Has anyone ridden the new ones since Atomic has capitalized on the "luxury" reputation of the brand?

P.S. and talk about a heavy ski/binding setup - I can't imagine what they're like now since they've been paired with Atomic bindings - they must feel like you're carrying around a sack of bricks.
post #11 of 27
If you think you might be overgunned by the TF, then consider the Nitrous.

IMO the iM 77 is a tougher ski to handle than the TF. Admittedly, I tested the 177 which was great, but too much work for my tastes.

Personally, I don't think you have to kill trees to make good skis. I really like the feel of the Fischers.

JMO....and....YMMV

SJ
post #12 of 27
Blizzard Titan Eight!!
post #13 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster
Blizzard Titan Eight!!
Can you tell us more about the Titan 8's performance and feel? size?
Thanks
post #14 of 27
Atomic SX models, go ahead do it.
post #15 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by smileguy1
Can you tell us more about the Titan 8's performance and feel? size?
Thanks
Well I don't know much since I've never skied it...but it's 116/80/106, comes in a 169cm (& 175cm) and has a 16m turn radius...more freeride oriented supposedly (they claim 60% off piste/40% piste) and it's supposed to be fairly stiff and damp but not overly so...it seems to get good reviews...that's all I know ...
post #16 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
It's really a shame what has happened to Volant. I have wondered what these skis are like now that they've scrapped the wood core (that McConkey brought to the design). I do like the feel of a Volant - nice and damp with great torsional stiffness without being overly stiff lengthwise.
The wood core is back in some of the Genesis models

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
Can the new Volant's even be found at any kind of discount? Are they even worth considering if you don't have a 7 figure income? Has anyone ridden the new ones since Atomic has capitalized on the "luxury" reputation of the brand?
Yep. I just pulled the trigger on a pair of Genesis Silvers at $158.00 on Ebay. Check around there, there are often deals like that on the Gravity 68s, the Machetes and the Silvers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
P.S. and talk about a heavy ski/binding setup - I can't imagine what they're like now since they've been paired with Atomic bindings - they must feel like you're carrying around a sack of bricks.
I'll see when I get them....

Dean.
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
Dean - thanks for the response. I did notice just this past week that Volant put back the wood core in the Genesis M and changed the sidecut from last season (making them a bit turnier than the original Sins). My only question is about the whole Atomic Neox 412 binding system and whether it would work for me, but maybe it would.

I took out the Elan S12, Stockli Stormrider XL, and Volant Machete Sin today. It just kills me that the ski I still like the most is the least expensive ski I own and the manufacturer is no longer in business (at least not they way they used to be). The Machete Sin does everything I need and feels the way I want a ski to feel. I feel incredibly confident on them and whenever I "go for that edge" it's always there. They feel silky through the moguls and stable at higher speeds. If I need to crank out some short turns I can get great high edge angles out of them and they reward me with tons of pop out of each turn. I'm glad I have 3 pairs of Sins, but maybe, just maybe, the Genesis M is still that ski somehow.
post #18 of 27
Well, before I read comprex' response I immediately thought "M2s". I have heard nothing about this ski beyond the cheezy blurb on the Volant web site.

As for the Sins, I would be the proud owner of a pair, if my financial situation wasn't so strained; there's a BIN price of $140 + shipping for them on ebay for the 175s and 185s. Of course I don't need them, but it still bothers me that I don't have a pair.

I don't know where you got the idea that Volant started using wood cores as a result of McConkey (though he certainly designed skis with wood cores), my older Volants all have wood cores.
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
VA - I'm a self-confessed Volant newbie (Phil is/was the resident expert on all things Volant until his recent departure to Atomic) so I'm always learning more about the history of the models. For some reason I was under the impression that Volant didn't use wood cores (or at least not very often) in their models.
post #20 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
VA - I'm a self-confessed Volant newbie (Phil is/was the resident expert on all things Volant until his recent departure to Atomic) so I'm always learning more about the history of the models. For some reason I was under the impression that Volant didn't use wood cores (or at least not very often) in their models.
Hey man, didn't mean to slap you down, I just have to stand up for my aged sticks.

Your description of the Sins really makes me want to try them out. However, considering my predilection, I'm not sure if I should thank you or curse you.
post #21 of 27
I have some Volant Platinums 170, a wider version of the Silvers that I want to unload. They have about 12 days on them. They are a synthetic core, the wood core V2's were bending too much.

I skied the Titan 8 a couple of days ago. I skied it in a 169, which was too short. It was a playful ski, but too short in that length.
post #22 of 27
Platinum 170's?!? Dang. If I hadda known, I might have waited. But, on the other hand, the Platinum is probably too much ski for me. But I can always dream...

Dean.
post #23 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean
Platinum 170's?!? Dang. If I hadda known, I might have waited. But, on the other hand, the Platinum is probably too much ski for me. But I can always dream...

Dean.
shame you missed em, I have them for 200 w/ bindings.
post #24 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
shame you missed em, I have them for 200 w/ bindings.
Every time you mention these, I think to myself: "If only they were 180s...". Oh well, I have too many all mountain skis anyway.
post #25 of 27
K2 Burnin Luv's. You know you want 'em.
post #26 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Takecontrol618
Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel
Elan Magfire 12
Did you even bother reading his post? Medium flex = Top Fuel? Ummm, no.

Noodler,

If you want to give something from the Top Fuel line a try, give the Nitrous a try.
post #27 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
Looking for a ski with these characteristics:
75mm - 80mm waist
14m - 16m sidecut (possibly even a super sidecut) in a ~170ish length
medium flex (not super stiff, but not a "noodle" either)
damp, quiet on the snow (low vibration)
not super heavy, but not a lightweight either!

I've ridden quite a few skis this season and I'm finally realizing what I want in my ideal ski. I'll be researching this a bit myself, but thought I'd get a head start from the Bears so please share your advice. I'm keeping an open mind and am willing to try stuff I normally would have a second thought about.

On paper, the Elan M666 looks like it should've been good, but it wasn't quite right for me (I didn't like the on snow feel on the hardpack). The Elan S12 has a much damper feel (I rode it most of the day yesterday) so it's not that I don't like Elans in general. The new Stockli Rotor looks interesting and could possibly fit the bill.
Mid-Fat, short radius, medium flex :
Scott Aztec Pro
http://www.scottusa.com/product.php?UID=7275
165/175/185 - 118/78/106 - 14 m
Very popular in Europe.
It looks like Scott is now selling in the US either.
Edit :
Radius : 13m/165cm - 14m/175cm - 15.5m/185cm
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